Re: are hoosiers getting hosed?


"Lotto Cheatah" <news@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Not if they could get away with it. I don't live in Indiana, but I suppose
that being a world forum somebody reading this somewhere along the line
does. It's his lottery, and his right to demand an honest game.

More food for thought: Why doesn't the lottery guarantee an honest game?
You
won't find that guarantee anywhere on their website. In fact, I have yet
to
find it on any lottery corporation website. Food for thought.

Back to the get-away-with-it stuff. They make their own rules, and pass
additional emergency rules if the results are lacking. The report is there
to be read. You can see that they have passed two emergency rules since
the
computerized draw started. Now why would you start to impose rules on an
random number number draw?

Since they make their own rules and don't guarantee an honest game. Since
the State, not the Fed controls all aspects of the lottery, what's to stop
them from doing any dammed thing they want to?

That's the beauty of our take on how a democracy should work. The Feds
aren't allowed to stick their fingers in the State pies. Trust me, that's a
good thing.

I would expect a lottery scandal in New Jersey, but Indiana ?





"Gerry" <tulalip@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Lotto Cheatah" <news@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Don't you find it strange that you have to go through Indiana
county-by-county in order to get the total number of winners? They
don't
make it easy to do this search.

Don't you find it strange that as soon as you get back to the old,
pre-stink
results that they suddenly disappear? I've got them all from years gone
by,
but you can't find them anymore, can you. This result have
"disappeared".

Don't you find that strange?

No

I find it strange that you have your knickers in a twist over something
you can't control.

The State controlled lotteries probably have more lawyers, auditors, and
bean counters than they have lottery numbers. If they were doing hanky
panky like you suggest you would see the mother of all class action
lawsuits. If they were cheating, somebody other than you would be
blowing the whistle. You will need more than two years of stats class
and your opinion if you want to make a convincing argument.




"Gerry" <tulalip@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Lotto Cheatah" <news@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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You are using numbers from games that are part of the stink. Go back
to
the
old games where the results made sense.

the only stink is your bull***



"John Griffin" <thathillbilly@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Lotto Cheatah" <news@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

The actual sales figures are not made public for some reason..
but one can infer them if they look at the "old" draws when
the jackpot was being won every second draw or so. They
publish the number of winners in each category (2/6, 3/6, 4/6,
etc). There are stated odds of winning for each of these
categories. Considering the huge statistical population to
work from, one with a bit of knowledge of statistics (I took
it for 2 years when in university) can easily infer the number
of tickets sold, +/- 5% 99 times out of 100. It works out to a
bit more than 6 million tickets per draw, so I rounded it
down.

Show us the numbers.

Never mind...use these:

I found the probability of no winner for the smallest (and most
reliable) estimate and the largest estimate.

For October 6: sales estimate (probability of no winner)
5/6 48696 33 --- 1,606,968 (.88)
4/6 950.18 1919 ---1823050
3/6 53.45 35905 ---1919122 (.86)
2/6 7.31 260521 ---1904408

For October 3:
5/6 27 ---1314792 (.90)
4/6 1639 ---1557345
3/6 29208 ---1561168
2/6 217678 ---1591226 (.88)

For January 3:
5/6 8 ---399,568 (.97)
4/6 550 ---522599
3/6 10487 ---560530
2/6 79182 ---578820 (.95)

June 6:
5/6 16 ---779136 (.94)
2/6 128677 ---947939 (.93)

This is simple arithmetic, not a statistical analysis.

It would be fun to see your calculations. I have a feeling that
you added the estimates for 5/6, etc. for the October 3 data to
get your six million...eeeuuuuuuw!

Anyway, it looks like the probability of 100 consecutive drawings
with no winner is a hell of a lot more likely than your estimate
of "same as the chance of a snowball surviving in hell." This
would happen by chance at least one time in a thousand.

The chance that there will be no winner 106 consecutive times
seems to be somewhere around .87 as of now (if it now stands at
105 and ticket sales increase slightly.)



"John Griffin" <thathillbilly@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Lotto Cheatah" <news@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Nobody won the Jackpot for the Hoosier Lotto Oct 6/07 draw.
The Jackpot rolls to $50.5 million. The odds are 1 in 12
million that you win, yet at least 606 million tickets have
been sold without a single winner.

Find the actual sales figures. After all, you now proceed to
spew convincing evidence that the 606 million is way the ***
off. You just don't get it, as always.

Left to random chance (like
the game is supposed to be) the odds of this are about the
same as that of a snowball surviving in hell!

I would like to point out that in the entire history of the
lottery, including the illegal mafia numbers game, no 6/48
ball-drop lotto (which is the only "true" lotto) has ever
sold this many tickets without being won. It's a world's
record.. and it stinks to high heaven!

You would have named the source if you had information about
their sales figures.


"John Griffin" <thathillbilly@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Mendacious halfwit "Lotto Cheatah" <news@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

The Jackpot for today's (Oct 6/07) Hoosier Lotto sits at a
huge $50 Million, making it the biggest jackpot in the
country!

The (State of Indiana) Hoosier Lotto is a pick 6/48.
Tickets cost $1. Hit 2 out of 6 and you win a free ticket.
Hit more and you win cash. Hit 6/6 and you get the $50
Mil. With odds of 1 in 12 million you would think somebody
would jackpot this game every second-draw..

Not so, airhead. If there was no jackpot winner last time,
the probability of no winner in two consecutive drawings,
even with your silly wild guess that six million tickets
are in play, is around 0.6. Using an educated wild guess,
that probability is closer to 0.9.

but nobody has purchased the Jackpot
winning ticket since October 2006!

Remedial Lottery lesson for you: That isn't how it works.
You don't purchase the winning ticket. There is no winning
ticket until after the drawing/number selection, and you
can't buy any ticket afterward.

Think about this:
There are 104 draws in a year. Say you sell 6 million
tickets per draw for 100 draws. You have sold roughly 600
million tickets, each one having a 1 in 12 million chance
hitting the Jackpot. The odds say you should have
600/12=50 Jackpot Winning tickets in that lot, or about
one Jackpot winner every second draw.

How can you have 600 million tickets and not hit the
jackpot even once? How can this be possible?

Simple. In all of those 600 million tickets, in all of
those 100 draws the winning ticket was never sold..

But.. how?

If you weren't stupid, you could use that fact to make a
rational estimate of ticket sales.

The Hoosier Lotto is not a ball-drop game, it is a
computer program. They use a computer to sell the tickets
and they use a computer to generate the winning numbers.

The thing about computer programs is that they are
"programmable". You can make them do what ever you tell
them to do. All it takes is a bit of "programming". You
can tell the computer to pick a line that wasn't sold. You
can even tell it to pick the line that has the smallest
possible total payout. You can tell it to do just about
anything.. if you want to.

duuuuhhhh

You could make yourself even more of a joke by telling us
what would motivate someone to do that. Just out of
curiosity, do you think the state employees could be
engaging in some kind of conspiracy to steal the money?

I'm not saying that this is happening. I'm saying it sure
smells that way.

Any bad smell you perceive would be coming from your
newsgroup posts and your backward view of the situation
you're yapping about.

Find out how many tickets they have really sold and then
get back to us. If you ask politely, someone will try to
help you understand. Yes, there is a chance that it can be
dumbed down even to your level.

Ron Stanwood, C.S.T.
Programmer/Analyst
Creator of Lotto Cheatah Jackpot Winning Lottery Software
http://LottoCheatah.com

Lotto Cheatah is rated world's best lottery picking
software all over the net.

<snicker> "All over the net"?! You are a fucking idiot.
I'm not sure everyone knew that, but it sure as hell is
universally known that anything you say must be assumed to
be a blatant lie.

Here, let me fix your idiotic "all over the net":
by its stupid lying author.

Much better.

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What new awards have you given yourself since the last time
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