Re: Let them know you love them

"John Kerr" <jbkbub@xxxxxxxxx> wrote
The only conclusions I drew from the exercise was....I think I'm losing
it! :)

Without a doubt.
--
Onward thru the fog,
Mason


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Re: Let them know you love them

Group: rec.gambling.craps Date: Wed, May 10, 2006, 8:50pm (CDT+5) From:
mrzer0_remove_@xxxxxxxxxxxxx (Mason)
"Tom Nakashima" <tom@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
"I thought I already explained this. John, go back and re-read, then if
you have anymore questions, ask....just don't enjoy explaining things
twice. It's pretty well defined."
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It is just basic thermodynamics, JB. It involves the unidirectional
entropic flow of heat to the acetate material of the dice. You have not
been paying close enough attention. Nakashima thinks he has clearly done
all the 'splaining the thermodynamic dice performance modification
factor needs.
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I suspected that tom was indicating that it was a thermodynamic "cause".
I was trying to get him to explain what change took place to the dice by
the few seconds of body heat transfer. If by holding them between your
fingers, the dice did in fact expand slightly on those faces, then we
would have a shaved dice effect on the other faces.....but I do not
understand the specific properties of acetate, and what expansion rate
one might expect with several seconds of body heat applied to it. There
might in fact be a theoretical advantage gained. With some very
sensitive measuring devices, one could conceivably measure the change in
"squareness" of the die caused by several seconds of applied body heat.
Once that microscopic change was recorded, we could then calculate the
favored faces to establish some betting system that took advantage of
the change. I intuitively suspect that the change is probably less than
the factory tolerance for squareness of the manufactured dice, so the
effect would be so miniscule, that a confidence level that any advantage
was taking place would probably take more rolls than are expected to
take place before the sun leaves the main sequence.

But, in keeping with my curiosity, I ran some desktop trials using a
casino die....first I pressed the die between my thumb and forefinger
for 7 seconds. Then using a very heat sensitive part of my body (which
will remain undisclosed), I compared the temperature difference between
the faces of the die. I am not positive, but I believe I could feel the
very slightest difference between the heat applied faces, and the
unheated faces. I have a pretty sensitive micrometer, and recorded the
dimensions of the die prior to heat application, and after heat
application...no change was noted (but I realize that there exists
measuring instruments that are far superior to my machinists micrometer.
The only conclusions I drew from the exercise was....I think I'm losing
it! :)

JB



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