Re: Vegas Trip Report

Thanks for your reply. I think it is important to analyze the results of
any play. Inputs from others is critical for this. Otherwise you don't
learn.

Thanks for that input about wanting play time. Yes, if the idea was to
never lose, you would never play.

Your point about the hot shooter and my $50 win makes sense. If the shooter
were really hot, then I should be up a lot more. I took a while to convince
myself that this shooter was hot. I sometimes have trouble noticing that I
am in the middle of a great roll and to quickly go up on my bets. A great
roll seems to happen so seldom that I do not get that much experience in
dealing with it. Seems like with a great roller, the big money is made on
the hard way bets, but I do not normally bet those due to the hi vig.

Later

Rob


"winnah 5" <wng68@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> However, for the shooters that got through the 5 count, I would place
> double
>> odds behind my $5 P bet, with $6 PL on the 6,8. Once the point or 6,8
>> was
>> hit several times, I would up my place to $12 PL 6,8 and 4x odds on the
>> $5
>> pass line bet. Sometimes I would also bet $5 PL 5. Occasionally I would
>> place a $5 field bet. I did this usually if the point was 5, 6 or 8;
>> the
>> field bet gets me the rest of the numbers when I have place bets on the
>> other two numbers (5,6 or 8) that are not the point. Only downside was
> that
>> if the 5,6,or 8 was thrown, the gain from the place bet was reduced by
>> the
>> loss of the field bet. I therefore felt better making the $5 field bet
> when
>> I had $12 PL on the 6,8 and $10 PL on the 5 rather than $6,$6,$5, resp.
>> I
>> had lots of wins from the field bet on 9 and 10. Also 2 and 12 came up a
>> fair amount. What is everyone's opinion of the field bet? I am
>> undecided
>> if it is any good or not.
>
> When you have actions with the 5,6 and 8, and you bet the Field to cover
> the
> other missed numbers, you are essentially playing the "Anything But
> Seven".
> The basic problem with this play is that the most easy to make numbers are
> offset by the loss of the Field bet, therefore undermining their payoffs.
> And of course, the Seven (easiest number) will kill everything. So even
> in
> a long roll, many of the payoffs will be small. And when disaster
> strikes,
> everything goes down. You should keep in mind that every bet is
> independent
> of each other and all of them lose to the Seven. You are risking a
> minimum
> of $34 ($5-5, $12-6, $12-8, $5-F) every roll for a payoff that ranges from
> $5 to $10. You have to get 3-4 hits minimum to just break even, and
> that's
> a lot of Sevens to buck.
>
>> I began with a $300 bankroll and finished up after 2 hours with a $600
>> bankroll.
>
> Congrad, that's a very nice win.
>
>> The rest of the trip consisted of two more days. Tables were choppy on
>> those days. Very difficult to get ahead playing right or wrong. I made
> two
>> basic mistakes on my last day. I was up $50 from a $300 bankroll on a
>> $10
>> min bet table. I normally do not likely playing a $10 table but I
>> believe
>> my type of play may fit. When I was up $50 it was at the end of a very
> hot
>> shooter. I got to the table when he was already 2/3 through his long
> roll.
>> I should have left, but I said that I had a $200 loss limit and continued
> to
>> play. I actually walked after being down $150. I should have walked
>> when
>> up $50.
>
> If you were up only $50 at a $10 table after a "very hot shooter", you
> really didn't do that well. A $50 profit is just a little more than
> winning
> one average line bet with 2x odds.
>
> Obviously most of us prefer to leave the table with more money than less,
> but ask yourself this: was walking away with the $50 profit more important
> than continuing to play, especially after just one "hot shooter"? My
> guess
> is, you came to play and the $50 profit only encouraged more play time.
> You
> may regret not leaving ahead now but realistically, you came to play as
> much
> as you want to win.
>
> That said, I am a big fan of win goals and loss limits. I find that while
> they don't improve the odds of winning, these "reality checks" help set up
> a
> reasonable framework for my session and have more than once saved me from
> losing back too much of my win or much more than what I was willing to
> risk.
>
>> Another problem was with a session that I began with a $200 bankroll. I
> got
>> ahead $100 but didn't walk with that. I continued to play until I was
> even
>> for that session.
>>
>> Overall, for the 3 days I broke even (or maybe I was up $12). I will
>> have
>> to work on learning to walk with gains, even small ones.
>
> I know what you mean, but again, you need to recognize that play time is
> important to most people and if it means giving back some winning to get
> the
> balance, it's probably worth it. In a negative expectation game, the
> longer
> you play, the more likely you will end up losing. That's just the way it
> is, despite what some may try to convince you otherwise. If winning is
> the
> only concern, then not playing is the best way to go.
>
>> Later,
>>
>> Robert Price
>
> Thanks for taking the time to write, trip reports are always entertaining
> to
> read.
>
>


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