Re: bounced mail

Sqwertz <swertz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 2 Jan 2012 20:26:07 GMT, Mike Muth wrote:

That's certainly one possibility. The bandwidth issues could be
upstream of the news server. Usenet traffic has dropped off in
recent years,

It has increased exponentially in the last 10 years.

Binary traffic has. Text groups have mostly declined.

so any established server should be able to handle the continuing
load without upgrades for anything but security.

Usenet servers are constantly increasing their storage space and
bandwidth (when available).

Binaries are driving that. Especially now that people are using more
wasteful .mkv encoding.

Of course, the
provider could be re-purposing equipment or simply failing to replace
items as they fail.

Uh, not likely unless you're tearing down your news service completely
(as was the case with ISP-based news servers 2-7 years ago).

People still use ISP-based news servers. They haven't gone away.

Another possibility is that they (or their connection provider) have
reduced their bandwidth.

Never happens.

It does indeed. A short while before AT&T got rid of their usenet
servers (around a dozen years ago), bandwidth was cut way back. Others
have done the same thing. Providers prioritize traffic. Usenet is not
up there and that has the same effect as cutting bandwidth.

I've been places where all nntp traffic was blocked by firewalls. My
provider did that. It wasn't for lack of bandwidth, either. We had 6
gigabits of bandwidth for unclassified traffic - for around 2,000
computers.

Commercially, large providers would prefer that people buy their
downloads, so they discourage usenet

Still, Usenet doesn't need that much bandwidth.

I don't what planet you live on, but that is completely false.

It doesn't.

Why do you think most people now have to PAY for usenet whereas
previously it was free?

It was free when it was bundled by ISPs, provided by corporations,
univesities and DARPA, or subsidized like individual.net was. There
have been pay for use usenet servers for at least 20 years. I've been
using one for 17 years.

You are totally forgetting Usenet is a huge binary repository for
downloading and uploading. There is more bandwidth and storage
required every day compared to the previous day.

No, I'm not. I was addressing text traffic only.

At it's peak
popularity, much of Usenet's traffic was carried over 64k circuits.
That much bandwidth would be more than enough today

Can we quote you on that?

Since I was talking about text traffic, yes.


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