Re: 'Overweight' people live longer than those of 'ideal' weight

Stu wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 02:55:59 +0000 (UTC), PeterL <PL@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Stu <recipes@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in news:90o545l2bljskub3o5boammq6d4ei2ob7p@xxxxxxx:

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:09:45 +0000 (UTC), PeterL <PL@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Stu <recipes@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in news:in0545ttbtr9e35e0ai74ns5qtvn1b30qk@xxxxxxx:

On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:29:01 +0000 (UTC), PeterL <PL@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Stu <recipes@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:31:34 +0200, ChattyCathy
<cathy1234@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/24/overweight_live_longer/
Actually that's not true. The strain on the heart is more if
overweight by more than 25 lbs. Then there's the belly fat, a pre
cursor to stroke and heart disease. The extra weight plays havic
with
your knees, and hip joints.

If they are talking about over 10- 12 lbs., the artice is nothing
more
than a fluff piece.



Bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, humbug!!
Refute my statement, don't just make nose noises



OK, I refute your statement.


And the "Bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, humbug!!" didn't come from my nose, if
I
was actually saying the words, it would come from my mouth.

Prove me wrong, and please provide proof if you can, rather than just
your nose noises.


Well Stu, as you didn't provide proof of your assertions that it's just a 'fluff piece', how am I to take your comments seriously?

You basically agreed with the article that *obese* people are at risk, but then disagree that 'overweight' people (ie, in the range between 'ideal' and 'obese') have been found by a bunch of scientists/doctors and studies to actually live longer.

Where is *your* proof that 'overweight' people *don't* live longer??
Did you conduct a study that the scientists and doctors didn't know about?


Just remember Stu, there are different catagories on that stupid BMI scale.

Underweight, Ideal, Overweight, Obese, and Morbidly Obese (I think).

I know Aussies are smart people so you must be the exception.

On behalf of the rest of the population your graciousness is
acknowledged.

Poor old Pete is a bit of a legend in his own lunch box
and recently got the bums rush out of a number technical
groups he tried his bull*** on .

But his style is all his own please don't judge Aussies
as a nation because of one individual .

Most of us are amazed that out of the millions of sperm
whatever fertilised the Lucas McGrath Williams egg
had little or no competition and still made it :)

For entertainment value the response from Pete MAY
be interesting. But I doubt it :)

See http://tinyurl.com/lkufsk
Or do a google groups PeterL foxtel IQ2 (How Ironic)
Auspay tv

Here's your proof, let me know if you dispute this, I'll supply more.



Reports of an ‘obesity epidemic’ appear with increasing frequency and
rising concern in Australia. http://www.aph.gov.au/library/INTGUIDE/sp/obesity.htm


The House of Representatives Standing Committee on Health and Ageing
has reviewed the 2006-07 annual report of the Department of Health and
Ageing and, pursuant to Standing Order 215(c), resolved to conduct an
inquiry into obesity in Australia on 19 March 2008. On Monday, 1 June 2009, the Committee tabled its report on the inquiry
into obesity entitled Weighing it up: Obesity in Australia. http://www.aph.gov.au/House/committee/haa/obesity/index.htm



Obesity in Australia
Recent studies show that 47% of women and 63% of men are overweight or
obese. Australians are at the point where it is almost more "normal"
to have a weight problem than not.

Over the last decade as a nation we have continued to gain weight. If
the current trend continues, it is estimated that by 2010, 70% of
Australians will be above their healthy weight range.
http://www.annecollins.com/weight_health/obesity-australia.htm





Obesity is a complex and multifactorial disease. It is characterised
by the excessive accumulation of adipose tissue to an extent that
health is impaired. Obesity is a serious medical condition, associated with a wide range
of chronic and life-threatening conditions and severe health
complications. Health risks associated with obesity include diabetes,
heart disease, high blood pressure and some cancers. Overweight and obesity in childhood and adolescence is associated with
a wide variety of serious complications and health problems. The most
significant long-term consequence of childhood obesity is its
persistence into adulthood. In addition to a high-fat, high-energy diet and a lack of physical
activity, there are a number of other factors that may give rise to
weight gain. http://www.asso.org.au





Fat stored around your middle can put you at risk for high blood
pressure, high blood cholesterol, type-2 diabetes, heart disease and
stroke. Almost 60% of Canadian adults are overweight or obese. Obese
Canadians are four times as likely to have diabetes, more than 3 times
as likely to have high blood pressure and more than two times more
likely to have heart disease than those with a healthy weight.
A modest weight reduction of as little as 5% of body weight can reduce
your high blood pressure and total blood cholesterol. For example, if
you weigh 150 lbs, 5% would equal about 7.5 pounds. (5% of 68 kg
equals 3.4 kg). Simply weighing yourself is not the only way to
determine your health risk. Studies have shown that extra weight
around the waistline is more dangerous to the heart than extra weight
that is on the hips and thighs.
www.heartandstroke.ca



Waist circumference measurement and body mass index (BMI) are the
recommended ways to estimate body fat. A high-risk waistline is 35
inches or higher for women, and 40 inches or higher for men.
The body mass index formula assesses body weight relative to height.
It's a useful, indirect measure of body composition, because in most
people it correlates highly with body fat. Weight in kilograms is
divided by height in meters squared (kg/m2). Or multiply weight in
pounds by 703, divide by height in inches, then divide again by height
in inches. In studies by the National Center for Health Statistics,
BMI values less than 18.5 are considered underweight.
BMI values from 18.5 to 24.9 are normal.
Overweight is defined as a body mass index of 25.0 to less than 30.0
(consistent with U.S. Dietary Guidelines for Americans). A BMI of
about 25 kg/m2 corresponds to about 10 percent over ideal body weight.

Obesity is defined as a BMI of 30.0 or greater (consistent with
criteria of the World Health Organization), or about 30 pounds or more
overweight. Extreme obesity is defined as a BMI of 40 or greater. www.americanheart.org




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