Re: Welfare babies,

On Sun 14 Sep 2008 08:18:37p, Saerah Gray told us...

Wayne Boatwright <wayneboatwright@xxxxxxxxx> fnord
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On Sun 14 Sep 2008 06:12:28p, Saerah Gray told us...

Wayne Boatwright <wayneboatwright@xxxxxxxxx> fnord
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On Sun 14 Sep 2008 03:53:54p, Saerah Gray told us...

So children should starve because their parents can't or won't get
a job?

No, the children should be taken away from them and put up for
adoption. The kids shouldn't have parent(s) who won't provide for
them, and the parent(s) shouldn't be allowed to keep them.

Wayne, if the children go into the (already bursting at the seams)
foster care system, the government is still paying out money to those
who raise them. Not everyone on welfare goes on it when their child
is born; are you insinuating that the working class should be
disallowed from having children?

I'm not insinuating anything. I'm *stating* that welfare *abusers*
(abusers for any reason) should have either severely limited or no
benefits at all. And, yes, under those circumstances, I believe the
children should be removed to a better envirornment. Further, that
the adult recipients should be limited from having further children.


You must know very little about the foster care system, if you think
that removing a child from their family of origin *simply because their
parents have had unfortunate circumstances*, and place them in the home
of a stranger, who is gaining material benefit from the government for
their efforts, is better for that child.

Actually, I know quite a lot about the foster care system, as I work for a
not-for-profit mental health agency and I see similar situations all the
time. I would rather see foster parents receive the government benefits
than the parents who *refuse* to work. They clearly do not deserve the
beneefits. I have no further comment on that situation.

If I lost my job, the likelihood that I would be able to find another
with equal pay and benefits would be very slim. Granted, I have
family who would either help me out financially until I could find a
comparable job, or at least offer me a place to live with my
daughter, but if not fot that, I would be forced to apply for aid.
Yes, some people abuse they system. But saying that there should be
no safety net in a country as well-to-do as ours is, and that people
who find themselves in unfortunate situations, often beyond their
control, should have their children taken from them, is horrific, to
say the least. What's next, 'A Modest Proposal" ?

I am not suggesting that you fit into this category. Many
conscienctious individuals and families end up on the welfare rolls
for some period of time, often through no fault of their own. These
are not the people I'm talking about. They need help, and while
they're receiving it, they most often find other employment and get on
with their lives. However, where I live, welfare abuse in any
conceivable form is prevalent. Those for whom welfare is an expected
way of life do not deserve the benefits. And, frankly, I don't give a
damn what happens to them. "Professional welfare families" should
most definitely have their kids removed. They might think twice about
having another eight kids, since they wouldn't be receiving benefits
for them. Sometimes horrific measures are necessary.


The thing is, where do you draw the line? If you have a small child, and
are on welfare, and cannot support yourself on the minimum wage jobs
available to you, and certainly would not be able to afford childcare
even if you could afford shelter and food and clothing, what the hell
are you supposed to do?

How do you differentiate between use and abuse of the system?

The difference is, if the parent(s) are working for wages that are
inadequate, they deserve to receive benefits to supplement what they need.
Those who *won't* work deserve nothing. There's a huge difference between
trying and making absolutely no effort. I have no further comment on that
situation. either.

When I lost my job in 2002, I couldn't even get medical assistance
through the state's program, which I sorely needed. The reason?
Because I was single, had no children, and owned a 10 year old car!

All of which put you in a better position to improve your situation than
most. Give yourself a pat on the back there.

Bull***! I desparately needed help and couldn't get it. Just because I
had previously been working was of no benefit to me when I was no longer
working. I have no further comment on that situation. either.

Don't even begin to try to tell me that I was less deserving or that
this was fair, when some people who have never worked a day in their
life go trailing into the welfare office with five or eight kids and
get everything under the sun, including absolutely free medical care.


They don't get "everything under the sun".

You'd be very surprised if you lived where I do. Given my place of
employment, I know exactly what many people get.

I realize that people *do*
abuse the system, but the example above is hardly the average person on
welfare. As I said earlier, do you own a home? You get welfare.
Differentiating one kind of government assistance from another is rather
unfair.

I take that very personally, especially when you make the differentiation
you do. When you're back is against the wall, you have no immediate
propects for employment, and need medical attention but are refused by the
system, it becomes very personal. Piss on the system that refuses me and
gives freely to others. No further comment.

I don't have a solution, but I will clearly state that the welfare
system is seriously fucked up.


You already said that you think a solution would be to take children
away from their parents, and put them into the homes of strangers while
their parents starve would be a solution.

And I think that is rather sad, myself.

Just because a situation/solution may be sad does not invalidate it.
Debtors prison was sad, but the children of those people probably faired
better because of it.

You won't win me over. We definitely do not share the same values. I'm
done.

--
Wayne Boatwright

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