Re: OT: Credit card fees! small rant LOL

Sheldon <PENMART01@xxxxxxx> wrote in
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enigma wrote:
Sheldon wrote

Is that $28 for one month or two?

what electric co. bills bimonthly?

Central Hudson here in NY's capitol region. I paid
bimonthly on Lung Guyland too. Most electric companys in
the US bill bimonthly... saves
the utility companys and the customers money.

ok, you have a sample of two.
i have yet to find an electric company that billed bimonthly
because most consumers would be really annoyed at that sort of
billing cycle. and while it might save the electric company a
few cents in reduced billing, it's not saving the consumer
anything. those few cents savings are not going to be passed
on.

haven't you ever heard of Energy Star appliances?

Of course, but that's all relative depending on appliance
size and how used... very few use the power saver mode on a
fridge, freezer, A/C, because then they don't opperate at
full efficiency, there are more repairs, and the life of
the appliance is shortened. Energy Star rated apliances
are for refrigeration units, they really don't save money
unless you choose to get less cooling. The laws of physics
apply regardless.

no, Shelly dear. all appliances come with Energy Star ratings.
and the "power saver" switch on most refrigerators mearly
disables the shell heater that keeps the thing from forming
condensation on hot humid days. it does nothing to the
internal temperature controls. you really should learn about
what you blather on about.

Here where I live in NY's capitol region the minimum 2
month bill just to keep the account open is $45 even if
I use no electricity whatsoever.

�really? my place in NY has RG&E and it's far less than
that. on months when i am not there (but still using
electricity because at the very least the furnace fan is
drawing power), my bills are less than $22.
�& in NH the "customer charge" is $8.94/month... so they
can screw you on the kWhrs more.

Even if I use zero I'm still billed $45 every two months
just to keep the account open... that's $22.50/mo., no real
difference from your RG&E.

no, if i was using zero, i'd be paying $16/month ($15 &
change). i prefer not to worry about getting all the water out
of the pipes & also, have it ready for immediate occupancy
should i decide to go there for some down time. so i keep it
heated to 50F

I have a rental house on my property with it's own service
where I've paid that minumum charge for three years (the
minimun has gone from $18 to $45 over that period so it
wasn't so much over time). Had I closed the account I'd
have no heat to keep the house from freezing until the
sheetrock all crumbled, and I'd need to winterize the well
system (has its own well), a big hassle, and in summer I
use that well. Because I kept it heated it was all ready
to go with no repairs needed... after the first three
month's rent are collected I'll be even, turning off the
electric would have been a false economy.

where's the well located? my NY well is in the garage & i keep
a 100 watt lightbulb in the well housing. it doesn't freeze.
the pump for the dug well here is in the basement, which
won't freeze even with no heat. the drilled well has the pump
in the well below frostline. i also have a hand pump in the
basement in case of power outages, so i don't have to go out &
pull water from the well.

Among the myriad other
talents you claim to possess now you're a smarter bear than
your average electronics engineer. LOL

certainly more than you. i've been doing electronics since i
was 4 years old (when my dad taught me to solder). my dad has
a doctorate in electronics. he invented the solid state
ocillator. i was 8 at the time & helped build the prototypes,
did the testing & the potting. you do know what an ocillator
is, right?

Garden apartments (apartment complexes) in this area
typically include electric and heat, so do most all
apartments in priivate houses of which there are many (of
course they are not legal but they certainly exist,
typically under the title "mother-daughter")... the reason
being that with the very cold winters this system gives
management control, to keep renters from turning the heat
so low (or off) during winter months, especially when they
go off somewhere for a few days, that the pipes freeze and
major damage ensues. Those rental units will have a
thermostat with limits set between 60F and 75F, and
similarly for the A/C portion. Apartment complexes in
this climate do not build with each unit having its own
central heating... heat and hot water is from a central
unit, far less costly to build and maintain. It's simple
enough to average total usage and distribute apportionately
depending on apartment size among all the tenants in their
rent. Apartment complexes also receive commercial energy
rates, which are much lower. Naturally management
constantly reminds all tenants to conserve to keep rent
increases lower. With today's rapidly rising energy costs
many leases now include a cost of energy clause whereas
rent can be increased periodically during the term of the
lease to cover the added expense.

really? i'm sure that New England has similar or worse
climatic conditions that NY, and yet few if any complexes have
centrally controled heat or air. the larger complexes have
electric heat, so individual units are easily billed
separately, or they have oil or propane fired heat pumps for
each unit. smaller buildings tend to have oil heat, with
multiple tanks & furnaces for each unit.
as i said, the only places that are at all likely to have
heat included would be if you are renting out a portion of a
single family (what you call a mother-daughter unit).
i agree with you that high rise type apartments, such as in
NYC, tend to have heat included.

It's really only stand alone rental houses that do not
include any utilities... and still the landlord has to keep
close tabs to make sure the building is kept properly
heated during winter. You've obviously never been a
landlord, and it's patently obvious that you've only been a
tenant, you've so much as said so outright in your last
paragraph. You've never owned your own home or you
wouldn't demonstrate such profound ignorance.

yeah... this house & 62 acres is all a dream... fruitcake.

lee
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