Re: "There is no such thing as an 'essential carbohydrate'" (was: Most easily overcooked foods...)

In article <1184559578.226566.146970@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Lynne A <embstop@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jul 15, 6:55 pm, Blair P. Houghton <b...@xxx> wrote:
Lynne A <embs...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jul 14, 7:33 pm, Blair P. Houghton <b...@xxx> wrote:

Ketosis causes you to lose muscle at least as fast as you
lose fat. Your body thinks it is starving and is trying
to keep you alive longer by reducing your metabolism to
near zero. Eating properly, avoiding things like ketosis,
and exercises to maintain a muscular-adaptation bias,
will keep muscle loss to about 10% the rate of fat loss.

Then why do so many successful bodybuilders use keto diets? It's part

Because they're idiots. They'd do better without the
muscle-damaging total carb deprivation. They also use
steroids. So don't tell me they're not idiots.

of the cycle. Now, I'm sure they do lose muscle, but if they lost as
much muscle as fat, they'd probably find another way to cycle. No one

No, they're idiots. They think they're doing something
that "works" and they're fucking up. They could do better
without the muscle-damaging total carb deprivation.

is more carb deprived than your average BB competitor a week out from
a competition. They look pretty damned muscular to me up there.

They (a) have different genetics (b) chow on steroids (c)
work out and eat like mad for months at a time followed
by intensive fat-cutting diets (d) chow on steroids (which
burn fat as well as bulking muscle).

Tom Venuto studied successful bodybuilders and fitness
models and determined that the best route to success is
to get enough protein (more than the US RDA recommends),
match it with complex starchy and fibrous carbs while
avoiding simple carbs, eat whole foods whenever possible
(and it's almost always possible), and cover your need
for essential fats. /That/ is a fat-burning, muscle
sparing diet.

Doing that at a 500-1000 calorie deficit maintains
fat loss while avoiding starvation modes of all kinds.

Doing that while exercising keeps your hormones in a
muscle-sparing bias, keeps your body in a high metabolic
state 24/7 that actually enhances your weight-loss rate.

All of that adds up to maximize the ratio of fat loss
to muscle loss during cutting, and maximizing the
rate at which cutting occurs.

Going into ketosis is putting yourself into starvation
mode. It will slow your metabolism, slow your weight loss,
and increase your muscle loss, which permanently slows
your metabolism, increasing your propensity to gain fat
once you stop doing the low-carb diet.

Atkins was a con man.

--Blair

Actually, I know all about Tom Venuto, I use BFFM, but thanks for the
info. I also read Lyle McDonald and a few others that beg to differ-
and are more than able to do so, considering their backgrounds.
Cassandra Forsyth for one(her Masters is in nutrition, BTW), and
Charles Poliquin. You may have heard of him?

And no, all BB do NOT use steroids, including your dear Mr Venuto. He
is far from the be all and end all of nutrition, BTW. And Dr Atkins
was low carb, not no carb. People are not dying from not eatin
friggin' bread, you know. You can be QUITE healthy with only the
carbs from fruits and vegetables.

Lynne A
embstop@xxxxxxxxx

In fact even healthier.
A high fiber diet is a good thing.
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