Re: Honey, We're Killing the Kids

The Bubbo wrote:

~patches~ wrote:

The Bubbo wrote:


~patches~ wrote:



But that has been reinforced by the government. You do not have the
right to hit your child - you can be charged with assault. You do not
have the right to raise your voice to your child - pyschological damage
that could result in abuse charges. You do not have the right to
physically restrain your child - abuse. You do not have the right to
lock your child in their room - abuse. See where I'm going here? The
government has created all these laws to the point the child has more
rights than the parent. Here anyway, if an underaged child causes
property damage, the parent can be held responsible. We had a case a
little while ago where 3 teenaged girls were caught setting fires. The
parents had no idea this was happening yet all were held liable for the
damage. If your adult child requires medication, transportation to
medical facilities, etc and cannot pay, they will contact you the
parent. While legally I don't think they can force you to pay or even
help out, they can and will put on a lot of pressure. I've heard horror
stories about this one!


I've worked with foster kids and foster homes for years and I grew up in
foster homes and I can assure you it takes a whole hell of a lot more than

a

simple spanking or yelling at your kid to get an abuse charge. I've not

only

worked with the system in minnesota but in other states as well. It's a

myth

or something, I don't know. Indeed, the authorities do get more involved

than

they did 50 years ago, but I can promise you we are way way more aware of
abuse now and work much harder to keep kids from going through real abuse
situations.


I grew up in a foster home too so know what you're talking about. Times
have changed. Awhile ago this little kid was misbehaving in McD's,
IIRC. The father took the kid to the car and gave a couple of wacks on
the ***. A passerby saw that and called the police. The man was
charged with assault. It caused quite a stir here because the man was
American just visiting Ontario so had to make a special trip back to
Ontario to appear in court. These types of things are happening more
and more.


maybe the laws in Canada are more stringent. Sunday is "Beat your kid in
Target" day here in the US and not much really ever comes of those weekend
excursions.

I think they might be more stingent. People are constantly watched too. Teachers in Ontario (I'm a certified teacher who decided against teaching) *must* report any suspected cases of child abuse. If a child comes to school with a bruise and you notice it, you are legally required to report it. You can be held liable if you don't. This does put the teacher in a bad position because you are damned either way especially in smaller communities. A teacher here reported suspect child abuse and obviously there was something to it because the kids were removed from the home. The father was just a tad ticked so stalked the teacher, vandilized her home and vehicle, made threating phone calls to her home, threatened her family for a good year before he was arrested.

I can't comment specifically on the McD's case there, I never heard of it. i
know when people bring things like that up you can get very different
impressions of the situation. I can bet you the person who called it in used
words like "beating" and "mercilessly!!!!". Change a few words in any
description and the guy's a monster or the guy's just a harried father trying
to raise his kid.

Likely. I'll try and find the article because it was a rather interesting case all the way around.


this is a topic I take very very seriously. I've met any number of parents

who

think the gov't is invading their houses and inhibiting their right to

raise

their children when in fact there's a real and documented reason why the
authorities had to get involved. Also, there's not a county or state in the
nation that can afford to take on every kid that calls in because they were
grounded.

it just doesn't happen.
It doesn't.

It likely depends on where your at and how the law treats it. We have
zero tolerance so if a kid called the police would have to investigate.


zero tolerance is a good thing in some cases and reports should be
investigated. Most of the investigations will show what the situation is, a
kid overreacting. I think if a kid threatens to call the police or child
protection the parent should just hand them the phone because that kid is
going to be way surprised at the outcome.

Yep.



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