Re: would you like to write a little blurb on sidereins and the green horse?

On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:41:16 -0700, cindi <allisonacres@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

On Aug 30, 4:27 pm, johdug-jen <joh...@xxxxxxx> wrote:

I will assume you are asking a sincere question and hope that I don't
get consumed by the flames that may arise!

Hi Jen. Sincere question. Although I can't guarantee whether or not
there will be flaming... ;-)

snip...

Were you considering using sidereins on this horse?

Complicated... This horse belongs to my working student, and she's in
lessons with me from a "colt starting" perspective, with eventual
plans to show him in dressage. She has an aged gelding she's showing
currently and her dressage coach comes over for sessions with her.
This coach told her to hurry up and get this green gelding into the
sidereins or else he'll learn bad habits like pulling back (she said,
but that's second hand and doesn't make any sense) and not collecting
and working in a "proper frame."

Boooguuus.


I've used sidereins, years ago, and I don't use them anymore. I don't
think they are evil but I don't think this student of mine or her
dressage coach is using them properly. I also think they have no
business on a horse this green who needs to be able to place his head
and neck wherever it needs to be for now.

Agreed.


I see them lunge her aged gelding in sidereins - short, and he hollows
and builds a ewe neck. I use him for lessons and we let him put his
head wherever he wants it and he is calm, happy, a fantastic safe
gentle lesson horse. He is getting back into "doing dressage" after a
few months of just being a pasture pet/light ridden lesson horse.
After I saw that she wanted to start showing him in dressage again I
started using him a lot more for lessons and getting him in shape.
She also lunges and rides him to prepare for her upcoming shows,
lunging in tight sidereins and riding with a fixed non-yielding hand.
He has just started bucking and rearing with her. I'm totally
confident putting any age and any ability rider on him so I can only
assume he's unhappy with the way they are riding him/working him,
which makes me worry about the way they are wanting to bring along the
other, green gelding. The dressage coach's own young horse is bucking
and rearing with her too.


Eww. Ewww, Ewww, Ewww.


At this stage I don't think she needs a "dressage coach" for this
horse, and at any stage I question this particular "dressage coach"'s
ability. My poor student is very impressionable and she has been told
that if she doesn't start this guy lunging in sidereins now, she's
forfeiting his future dressage career. Nonsense, I say. Any horse
can do the lower level dressage after a "cowboy" or "western" sort of
start or any sort of non-abusive start.

Anyway, that's what motivated my question!

For what it's worth, my answer wasn't exactly Western (a la Gregg) but
based more on my original mentor's approach plus stuff I've picked up
over the years.

jrw
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