Re: Dances With Dead

On 9 Sep 2006 06:26:58 -0700, "adrienne13" <adrienne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Aunt Nasty wrote:
"Terrorism cannot be justified under any valid interpretation of the Islamic faith."
http://islam.about.com/od/terrorism/
The fact is, one could trot out fanatics from just about
any religion all day long, but not a one of them would
truly represent the entirety of that religion.
Muslims are being scapegoated by those who plan to
steal their resources from them by extreme force. It's
important not to be deceived by their propaganda.

On 7 Sep 2006 07:44:02 -0700, "adrienne13" <adrienne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Aunt Nasty wrote:
On 4 Sep 2006 18:19:58 -0700, "akogler@xxxxxxxxxx" <akogler@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Caelan wrote:
An animal exploiter is a person who, for no other reason than to
produce some self-aggrandizing performance (Sigfried and Roy) or ISNT
THAT **EXTREME** pseudo documentary; annoys, harasses or otherwise
causes to be disturbed, animals who are regarded by the unwashed masses
as dangerous, "cool" and "extreme" in predatory behavior and/or
physical characteristics (teeth, poison etc). They taunt, goad and get
stupidy close to said animals in order to prove their machismo or
"skill" on camera or in person for entertainment and money. Eventually,
their luck runs out and they inevitably and predictably succumb to an
encounter with an animal.

Hey, Caelan, you should watch this show: http://www.mtv.com/onair/wildboyz/ ...

I didn't see much of the subject deceased individual's tv presence,
but it reads to be that his folks were croc farmers and they offered
him significant encouragement to display boldness with them. I
suspect that a croc wouldn't have got him. It was a stingray, and
not an animal known to present such a risk, either.

Interestingly, it's horses thought to be the safest who account for
an increased share of accidents, likely due to human complacency.

I must have missed your appointment to the Arbiter of the Universe post.

Are you worried about 'competition', Abby?

Hate the guy, love the guy, whatever. "He got what he deserved becuause
he did something I didnt like" is so creepy and so small I still cant
believe you posted it.

Yet it's vastly creepier when you reckon all those Afghans and Iraqis
are getting what they deserve for no good reason at all.

I bet I can find something you do that I dislike or disagree with. Do I
snicker/sneer at your demise?

You would if it were a 'hadji' or his horse. In fact, you'd just as soon
see the USA bankrupted to spend the money on killing people and
horses who never even thought of doing anything to you.

...the democrat/lefty ...

Were you able to become sufficiently educated, you could avoid the
false dichotomy, as well as being fooled in many other ways.

...HATED ...

The criminals you support feed on your hate, and they despise you.

Take care of that beam in your own eye before you discuss a mote
in that of anyone else, why don't you.

"Of the original Herd of 100+ Horses, only 19 remain,
the rest having been killed during the bombing of Baghdad
when their Facility was struck by a Tomahawk cruise missile."

http://www.soquilicenter.org/arab.htm

You weren't threatened by any of your victims.

You may find this transcript interesting:

http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=1050

Wafa Sultan watched her teacher get gunned down
by the Muslim Brotherhood or some fascimile thereof,
and she's right that there are reactionary sects of Islam
as well as those who seek to use/abuse them. A lot of
women are being traumatised by the oppression that
fanatics tend to impose. Those zealous impositions
have increased dramatically in Iraq lately, too.

Sultan correctly decries the insanity of violence, but to
use her statements in that context as any excuse to
attack Muslims in no way connected to any such
acts of violence whatsoever is a serious error.

Socio-economic issues cause strife, religions are often
merely the excuses attempted for attacking others. It
is Huntingdon's failure to realize this which renders
his theory questionable.

It's incorrect to lump all Muslims, just as it's incorrect
to lump all Christians. Have you ever actually known
anyone who is a Muslim? They're folks like you, or
likely more peaceable, not all identical to the villains
held over you with propaganda in the effort to make
you submit to exploitation, far more often than not.

If someone held that all Christians would be identical
to the Christian Identity movement, would you get
the impression that they knew enough about it?

That 'middle age mentality' thing is hogwash: women
in Iraq wore western clothes, went to school, held jobs
and drove cars until the self-proclaimed Christian prophet
George W. Bush launched an illegal invasion of their nation.
The Muslims there got along fine with the Christians until
the Christian aggression started. Sure, there are situations
where local groups in specific countries are oppressive and
theocratic. You don't improve on this by splattering their
civilians onto the rubble of their infrastructure with bombs.
An occupying force which destroys order causes increased
oppression and violence, and that's another war crime.

There are some rhetorical but historically important questions
which must be asked of anyone who still imagines that there
were any threat from any religion per se:

Do you believe that the Muslims in the US military services
would be a threat to you, too? How about Muslim police
officers here in the USA, do you suppose, somehow, that
they'd want to convert you or kill you? Would you support
loading all Muslims into rail cars and taking them to camps?

How about the following blogger, do you feel a threat there?
Do you hope she will be sickened, tortured, raped, maimed,
forced to watch her family killed, blown up with a bomb?

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/


Face it: there's no evidence that Islam has anything to do
with 9/11 or terrorism. Obviously, the "shock and awe"
inflicted on Iraq is terrorism, however, by definition.


The Muslim today is what the Jew was in Hitler's Germany.

Pardon, dear, your paranoia is showing.

What's with the 'dear'? I'm not the one cowering
in fear of imaginary enemies, actually. I'm not the
one saying we'd somehow need to kill thousands
of Afghans and Iraqis out of a mistaken belief
that they'd be a threat.

At the risk of running into a
VERY large buzz saw, for which I am ill equipped at any time, and
particularly on a Saturday morning with only 2 cups of coffee under my
belt, I'll make this brief.

Buzz saw? How graphic. Do you support using
missiles to blow up barnsful of horses, without
seeing that as graphically violent?

Wafa Sultan makes some very good points about EXTREMIST Muslims who may
not even be representing Islam as WE know it, or people as WE know
them. Yes, I do have friends of all religions, and ah, personal
lifestyle choices.

Okay, you make sense.

Yes, the current administration is bad, bad, bad for what they are
doing in Iraq - the Family Feud survey says so. So does MY family, who
has a Marine over there and wants him to come home in one piece in
January or sooner, as scheduled, and not "Oh, gee, you have to stay
longer, because the majority of young American men and women disagree
with poor Mr. Bush and won't sign up for the military anymore." Of
course, recruitment is usually down when conflict is up, but that's
another debate, so we won't go there...

Well, if Osama told George to go ahead and destroy
the USA by weakening it politically, economically, and
by diminishing the armed services, then George has
obeyed quite effectively.

Of course, the Bush and bin Laden families do have an
extensive history of financial interactions, so Osama may
have been calling in a debt. It's not as if the Bush family
ever was loyal to the United States, after all.

Wahhabism http://atheism.about.com/od/islamicsects/a/wahhabi.htm is the
extremist sect of Islam that has corrupted the minds of terrorists such
as Osama bin Laden and his followers. Much like cults that have their
beginnings in Christianity, this abomination poisons the minds of its
followers with the added bonus that, because the Imams are responsible
for all aspects of life, the children are taught from birth, the girls
are ignored and abused, their education cut short or completely
disregarded (so they can be slaves and breeders) , and boys are taught
to hate any and all people who believe anything but Wahhabism. That
quote about killing all infidels if they won't convert?? That's their
mantra for life. Gerald Posner wrote an interesting book about the
history and development of Saudi Arabia and the relationship of its
leader and the leader of Wahhabism, "Secrets of the Kingdom", if you
care to delve into it further.

Nobody said there weren't extremists abusing religions.

I suggest that we focus on those doing the most damage,
not those who may do so in the fevered imaginations of
the easily-frightened who don't think clearly enough.

O.K., enough for now. Please don't eviscerate me, I'm not up to it.

Evisceration? Now that's also rather graphic. Relax: there's
no way typed characters on a computer screen could harm
you at all, especially if you heed good advice and ignore bad.

The context here is that those who support Bush support
real violence, real eviscerations, and against those who are
innocent of any crime.

The civilized world sees Bush and his followers as the real
threat to the peace, based on genuine evidence.
.

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