Re: Waaay OT: Global warming. Idle thoughts of an idle fellow.


"F.James Cripwell" <bf906@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> K (notme@xxxxxxxxxxx) writes:
>>
>> Really? You might want to inform the American Meterological Society of
>> that. They seem to have the misguided notion that it is second only to
>> carbon dioxide on the list of important greenhouse gases.
>>
>> http://www.ametsoc.org/POLICY/climatechangeresearch_2003.html
>>
>> K
>
> There are probably hundreds of thousands of organizations like the
> American Meterological Society(AMS) who believe methane is an important
> greenhouse gas. I presume you know the Hans Anderson story of The
> Emperor's New Clothes. This is merely a real life example of that story.
> I have my hands full trying to persuade my MP of the truth of this.
> Luckily the official USA position on this subject is more in line with my
> ideas, than those of the AMS. The USA has refused to sign on to Kyoto.
> The official USA policy is that carbon dioxide, methane, etc. have no
> influence on global warming. Maybe the AMS should do some lobbying with
> the White House.
> Incidentally, carbon dioxide has also a negligible influence on
> global warming. *The* greenhouse gas, and the only one that really
> matters, is water.
> --
> Jim Cripwell.
> From Canada. Land of the Key Bird.
> This creature of doom flies over the frozen tundra in winter,
> shrieking its dreaded call; "Key, Key, Key, Key rist but it's cold!!"


My understanding from class is that, yes, water vapor does hold in a lot
of heat, but it is also the one that we really can't do a darn thing
about....so if we want to slow global warming then we'd better concentrate
on the other gases that we can avoid putting so much of into the air, or the
ones we can counteract. CO2 sinks are one way to counteract the CO2 we put
into the air and many corporations actually try to do this. Reforestation
is a method of absorbing CO2 as are wetlands and artificial methods such as
pumping it deep underground such as some company does....I'd have to look it
up to remember who.
Also, if you look at those charts, or at least the footnotes underneath,
there is the explanation that CFCs are the most harmful greenhouse gas and
hold in the most heat (or let more in b/c they destroy ozone through a
chemical reaction). We have banned the use of CFCs in the US because of
that I'm not sure what other countries' policies are.
Methane is another one we can decrease our use of in theory, too.
And I think I'll agree with K on this one: the reasons for not joining Kyoto
are economic, not environmental no matter what the US gov't says. In order
to decrease CO2, we'd have to force a whole lot of companies to change their
ways, or force them to counteract the CO2, etc they produce. As you know,
anytime we try to make companies do something that ould force them to spend
some money, there's usually some uproar in the form of lobbyists, or
threatening to withdraw future campaign funds, etc.(The auto industry wasn't
too happy about seatbelts to begin with b/c of the extra money it would
cost, for example) And, historically, Republican presidents are less likely
to sign on to environmental treaties, or any treaties that may seem
anti-business.
~Sara



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