Re: OT Bargaining with thieves


"Wes" <clutch@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Ed Huntress" <huntres23@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


"Richard W." <raweich@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Bargaining with Thieves
By Bojidar Marinov, Sep 09, 2009

[Snipping isn't that hard, I wish more would try it]

The majority of the American People want an elected government and a
democratic process for making and changing laws. As for mobs in the
streets
who think they're "the people," they have the ability to protest,
campaign,
and run for office. And if they fail, that's because they aren't really
"the
people," after all, but rather an unrepresentative minority.

Well until the mob protests, how does the mob know if it has support? We
do have a
history of protest, left and right and on racial matters. Let us not
forget the Vets that
marched on Washington long ago, google Bonus Army if you don't recall it.

Are you agreeing or disagreeing here, Wes? I just said in the paragraph
above, and in the one below, that protesting, etc., are legitimate things to
do in a democratic republic like ours.



When they challenge the legitimacy of the democractically elected system
and
the officials that the majority elects, or when they compare our elected
system to the totalitarian despots of the Soviet Union, they're engaged in
anti-democratic demogoguery. Not liking laws that are passed by elected
officials is a perfectly fine thing, and protesting and voting against
them
is what a democratic republic is all about. When they threaten it with
violence, however, they're threatening the majority, and the appropriate
response in the one that President Washington made in 1794, to call up the
troops and put it down.

Threatening the majority? We are not Black Panthers showing up at voting
places armed.

When the officials elected by the majority in the democratic process are
threatened, our entire system is threatened. Gunner is cheering the
impending threatening and killing of millions, but Gunner is nutz. As for
the rest of the reactionary youth, we just had a thread in which one said he
was "glad" that our elected officials are being threatened, and another
agreed that most people perceived it as a veiled threat -- but that it falls
within his idea of what the First Amendment protects.

So they're all for threats. And they want to keep them "veiled." Most of
them just want someone else to do it.



What these right-wing cranks want to do is to overturn the American
republic
and install an oligarchy of reactionaries who think like them, and call
them
"the people." That's exactly what the Soviet Union did.

What is the difference between a right wing crank and a left wing crank?

Ans. Personal perspective.

Ans. One is on the right, and the other is on the left. And those of us in
the center are wary of both. Either one is likely to slip into this cockeyed
"revolution" mode when things aren't going their way, but the right has more
guns. And they have the Gunners, who are cheering on the prospect of mass
murders of the other side.



When the demagogues say "We shouldn't bargain with them. There is nothing
"constructive" in bargaining about a criminal and immoral law," what
they're
saying is that the democratically elected government is not to their
liking
and they don't accept its legitimacy. In other words, they've gotten the
relationship of a Soviet-type oligarchy and the democratic will of "the
people" exactly backwards. The government is legitimate. It's they -- the
demagogues and the right-wing dimwits who follow them -- who don't want
democracy at all. They want a totalitarian government of people who think
like them. They can't handle democracy.

What politicians have been assasinated recently? Did I miss something?

I think you missed the "messages" that were being sent. As I mentioned
above, there seems to be some agreement that they are a "veiled threat."


Considering how much certain politicians are hated, yes, hated, it is a
wonder they still
live. It must say something about gun owners, we respect democracy.

That most of them are all mouth, and are waiting for someone else to go
first?


Wes

NRA Life.

--
Ed Huntress
NRA off and on since 1962. <g>


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