Re: Unions

On Nov 22, 2:02 am, "Harold and Susan Vordos" <vor...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
"rigger" <dg...@xxxxxxx> wrote in message


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NO ENTITY OWNS ME!

As long as you use your own "special" definition of "OWN" I'm
sure this is true. On my side of the fence the IRS "owns" a
piece of me, as do other taxing organizations. & etc.

OK-----let me rephrase that. My *** is owned by the government----but I
have never signed it over to any other agency. :-)

In your life have you ever written or signed a contract??
Don't you understand what this means? Did you ever
negotiate a contract?

Indeed I have, but that has nothing to do with my conversation.



Do you have a brother or sister?

Yes, and I don't like either one of them. Reason? Each has an "it's all
about me" attitude. No thanks.

Sorry. But I'd suggest you be thankfull for the brother and
sister anyway. I wish I could be.

.If you do would you fire

your brother or sister (or child) because someone could
do the job better?? (I'd like to hear about the ass-kicking
from your wife when you did so. LOL) Or maybe you'd
fire your Dad or Mom??? LOL

From this, I conclude that if one of your family members was guilty of
murdering a few people, that you'd stand by them, helping them avoid
capture, defending them at all costs? You wouldn't encourage them to turn
themselve in to authorities? Perhaps you'd understand if I didn't want
you living in my neighborhood-----or city-----or state, not with that kind
of attitude.

I guess this is in answer to my question: "If you do would you fire
your brother or sister (or child) because someone could
do the job better??" Lousy answer, but I'll answer it anyway: If
my family member were Adolph Hitler (close to what you were
getting at? LOL) then, "Yes", I'd encourage him to turn himself
in to authorities. But what does this prove???????


I get your point, but that's not what we're talking about, is it! What
we're talking about is hiring someone, regardless of affiliation or
relationship, to perform a given task-----at least that's what Dave was
talking about. I gather you'd hire your brother-in-law to perform
brain surgery on your child because he's family------never mind he has no
clue what to do, or how to do it. That makes no sense, and never will.

You can do better than this.

Union members call other union members "brothers" and
"sisters" because thats how we treat them and how we
want to be treated ourselfs. If you can't understand (and
some people apparently, can not) this simple idea then
I'm sorry for you. For some, it isn't the "instant money"
you gain now but the overall health of the organization
and its members which leads to a better life for all.

For one, "instant money" is against my principles. That's union magic
bull***, not reality. AND-----I don't want to be a part of any
organization like that-----no more than I'd choose to be a member of a
church. That wonderful organization is working hard to make my cost of
living go up---and continue the decline of the power of the dollar. I
can't get interested in that, not for any reason. You appear to have a
"this is good for me/us" attitude, even at the cost of being bad for the
nation. Sorry-----my head doesn't work that way.

You misunderstand: We're not asking you to join. Go somewhere else.
Next you'll no doubt have popeye jump out and begin hollering about
unions supporting terrorism; idiotic reasoning.

The only people that benefit from union coercion is the union and worker,
often at great expense to the worker. You tell me, in terms I can
understand, how picketing meat workers at my local store, demanding an
unreasonable raise in pay, is going to benefit me? He (they) are trying
to move their class of living up the scale at the expense of moving mine
down. You know, and I know, that if a store pays more in wages, they'll
make an offset in prices for compensation. Sorry, that doesn't fly with
me------and as I've said previously-----I'm a man of my word-----I'll drive
far out of my way to insure that I cross the picket line of anyone picketing
an organization, and laugh in the faces of the dumb bastards that have been
out of work for months, depriving their families of a comfortable life that
otherwise may have been.

Without facts everything in a discussion becomes a personal rant,
which is what this appears to becoming. But I'll try:

Are you aware only 10% of the store cost of a head of lettuce is
spent on labor (Dept. of Ag. figures) and only another 10% or so
goes to the farmer. Would you rather see the middleman (with-
out visible "negotiations" take your money?? Do I hear you complain
about this?? Or is it only when the worker benifits you complain??
If YOU make more money does it diminish others?? Is this OK??
Is this a selfish attitude?? Ok for you but not for others??

You want more pay in life? Get qualified to earn more-----don't pick up
your gun and mask and demand more from me.

<snip the s-c stuff>

Sorry you haven't had any good experiences.

<snip> the unsubstantiated stuff> Unions make mistakes too???
I never knew that.. Thanks for the news.


You're OK, Dennis-----just very misguided. The day will come, hopefully,
when you realize which entity signs your checks. That's what it's really
all about. The union doesn't pay your wages, and is, in fact, the enemy.
They are the entity that is now encouraging remaining businesses to leave US
turf. Could your job be hanging in the balance as a result?

Harold

Well, I guess "You've got yours!!!" Harold. And anything government
or
corporations (same thing, right?) do is fine with you. Anyone who
can't
see any further than this can not be expected to carry on a decent
conversation. It appears to me Harold, that you've "ossifed", become
so
rigid in your beliefs that nothing, including the "Second Coming" will
change them (What's that? You're part of some "group?" LOL)

Sorry Harold, but your imitation of the "Duke" doesn't impress,
despite
the personal success (by "your" definition) you may have enjoyed.

dennis
in nca
.

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