Re: Loading Fee ?

I would pipe in her and ask the question, " Gunner, if this mill was in your
town would you go over prep this machine for shipping and load it for the
buyer for $500?" Buy the lumber, rent the fork, get a licensed electrician
to disconnect, drain and pay the disposal on the fluids, stand by for the
hours the trucker is late? Reading the fine print the $500 gets a PREP and
load for shipping. A machinery dealer I would expect to pick up part of
this as a part of his business, but a machine shop selling off some excess
equipment this is above and beyond the scope of what the shop does and it
may have to be contracted out. The $500 dollars is not so outrageous and it
is stated right in the auction. How many of you people bitching have spent
time preparing machinery for shipping that has to get to the receiving site
in good condition? How many of you have received equipment that was not
prepared well and spent many hours repairing or bitching? Its a lot of work
to do a proper job. If I was to do this I would have to check closely to
see if I could do it as an outside vendor for $500 and make a profit.
lg
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"Gunner Asch" <gunner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> On 17 Dec 2005 06:54:14 -0800, "rigger" <dgrup@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>Gunner said:
>>
>>>Total and utter rip off. Even if the dude had to go RENT a forklift
>>for the day it sould be less than a $100. And based on the pics in the
>>background..its a good bet he has a a forklift on hand..and should do
>>it for free -$50. Most places..it would be free.<
>>
>>"Utter rip off"; do you really think so?
>>
>>The seller had no reserve on this machine. Unless he's a complete
>>maroon he knows what this means and added the $500.00 as the minimum he
>>would take to go through the hassel of getting the machine out of his
>>shop. As it turns out the machine sold for low $$$ so the "Loading
>>fee" was probably about what he could have gotten for scrap (or a
>>little bit more?).
>>
>>Sounds like an innovative way to sell a machine. I hope the person who
>>won it enjoys it.
>>
>>dennis
>>in nca
>
> Dennis..Im in the machine tool business. I broker, buy and sell
> machinery, though my speciality is service and repair.
>
> At the best..this is deceptive business practice, at worst..its a
> total rip off.
>
> If you absolutely MUST get a minumum value for your machine, you set
> the reserve there and hope it sells. Trying to recoup a bad buy on
> your part via the small print, while practical..is useless, hopeless
> and only pisses off the people you are desperately trying to unload
> your iron on.
>
> If you cannot get your money out of an item, because you paid way too
> much for it, you have two choices. Sit on it until you can, or sell it
> at a loss and learn from your mistake.
>
> Enron accounting is still wrong.
>
> If a buyer wants to pay $1 and $500 for loading..it means that machine
> is worth at least $501 to him. Unfortunately..auction fever and far
> too many newbies dont understand this and will bid thinking they are
> getting the machine for $1. Yes, I know..let the buyer beware..which
> is all to common in todays business world. Which leads us back to
> Enron accounting.....
>
> Frankly...I personally view with great suspision anyone doing this
> sort of business practice. It tells me that they are basicly dishonest
> and make a practice of trying to "get over" on the buyer. Which leads
> one to further suspecision about the goods they are selling.
>
> This is not a plug for Leigh, but if you take a look at the occasional
> auctions by catruckman@aol, you will find remarkable honesty, and a
> marvelous sellers mind set. Reliable Tools is another lesser example
> of how an auction should be presented, and carried out. (damn their
> extra crap though)
>
> You buy low, sell as high as you can, present the item in an honest
> fashion and make the buying/selling experience as ethical and as
> pleasent as possible for everyone. This leads to a client base that
> wil continue to purchase from you.
>
> I deal with machine tool dealers weekly, if not daily. Some will sit
> on an item, thinking its made of gold, hoping against hope that they
> can sell it Someday, for enough money to justify that expensive floor
> space they have been using to store it, and others "turn and burn",
> buy it low, sell it at a price for a quick sale, and rollover their
> stock as often as possible. Which is the proper way? Depends on your
> cash flow. But I can tell you..there used to be a lot of machine tool
> dealers in So. Cal that went tits up, with warehouses full of dusty
> machines that were made out of gold..and there are the survivors, who
> turn and burn, keeping the bills paid, the lights on and making a
> reasonable but often small profit on each sale.
>
> Shrug..think as you will.
>
> Gunner
>
> "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
> Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
> off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
> them self determination under "play nice" rules.
>
> Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you
> for torturing the cat." Gunner


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