Re: Update on machinist trainee


"John Chase" <CICSPlexSM@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:FVdff.125$fO5.73@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> "Harold and Susan Vordos" <vordos@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:437afbca_3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > [ snip ]
> >
> > I realize you're not fond of SS-----who in hell is?
> > I didn't want to pay
> > it, and --------remember-------I was self employed, so my cut was the
> > whole
> > magilla-----it was the largest tax I paid for years. It was taken
from
> > me without my permission---on the promise that I'd get it back when I
was
> > old.
>
> Your context suggests that by "SS" you mean "social security". I proceed
> based on that assumption.
>
> In essence, you performed "involuntary servitude", as prohibited by
USConst.
> Amdt. XIII.
>
> > I am. Hope you can still find it in your heart to consider me a
> > worthy person in spite of the fact I now draw the money.
>
> My opinion of you is neither increased nor decreased. Like most of us,
you
> were probably deluded into believing that you were "contributing" to "your
> own" account, from which you eventually would be allowed to withdraw
> portions periodically. But in fact there is no "account" with your name
on
> it; you have NO balance identifiable as "yours", and never had. When you
> die, your heirs will receive nothing from "your balance" because there is
> none. ALL of the money you "contributed" over the years was paid out in
the
> same fiscal period to persons you never knew existed. ALL of the money
you
> might now receive was and is taken by (threat of) force from persons you
> have not, and likely never will, meet. In short, you have transitioned
from
> "slave" to "slave-holder".
>
> > I've done my
> > best to not be a drag on society----paid taxes, worked all my life
without
> > drawing any subsidies of any kind. I'm entitled to this one.
>
> I beg to differ: You are no more "entitled" to any portion of the fruits
of
> my labor than I am of yours. To put it bluntly, I do not OWE you so much
as
> the time of day; nor you, me. That said, if I reach the "magic age" I
fully
> intend to avail myself of whatever forcibly exacted fruits of the labor of
> others the government then in power deems "appropriate" for me.
>
> If that makes me a hypocrite, then so be it.
>
> -jc-
>
We're saying the same thing, but you're more eloquent with the words you
choose. I'm in total sympathy. I wanted to opt out of SS, but I wasn't
offered that option, unlike many that were. Government employees, for
example. I worked for Sam for two months (military base as a tool maker),
and didn't have SS deducted from my pay. I hated that damned job and left
as quickly as possible. Back to having my wages stolen. Like you, I gladly
accept what they deem to be my share now. I'd have made other arrangements
given the opportunity. Big brother didn't allow that. I had no choice but to
pay SS taxes, and I paid all of it (15%) when I was self employed.

I understand all too well that the money taken from me didn't go into an
account that bore my name, although they know all too well what I made, and
what I paid. Still do, for that matter.

The system is broken, and has been since Roosevelt. That doesn't mean I
don't want my share now that I've been victimized.

Harold


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