Re: OT - Tell Bush: "Don't blame Hurricane victims, help them!"


> >> You said "They on the right (sic) would say", and, as someone somewhat
> >> right of center, I don't like you speaking for me, especially when
> >> you're wrong. It's really not complicated.
> >
> You didn't say "in general", you said "Those on the right would say". A
> global statement which I provided a counterexample to. I showed you
> that your _ass_umption is wrong.
>
> > I'm sure you do the same all the
> > time so your criticizing me for the same thing seems off base and
> > hypocritical. Besides, my point was right on target.
>
> Evidence has shown otherwise.
>
> >> > As it is I am as qualified to speak on behalf of the right wing as
> > anyone.
> >>
> >> Evidence would seem to indicate otherwise.

You keep saying there is evidence indicating other than what I said but then
you don't have it. How come? And you still haven't told me why you are more
qualified to speak on behalf of right wingers than I am.

> >
> > You think you have better qualifications to speak for the right than me?
> > Let's hear why.
>
> Because you made a wrong global statement, and I provided a correction.

No you didn't. All you did was to substitute your opinion and claim it was
better than mine. It wasn't. You make it sound like I took a test and
answered a question incorrectly so you, being the teacher, had to correct
me. In reality all you did was say that, in your opinion, I was wrong.
That's not a correction.

> Unless you're going to now tell me that I'm not right-ish, and/or what I
> do or don't believe? If you're inside my brain that well, can you tell
> me where I put that 5/16ths hex collet that I can't find?

And no, I wouldn't say that you weren't a righty but one doesn't have to be
one to speak for them. It's not an exclusive club. Can't help you with
senior moments either, questions regarding politics, that's another matter.

> >> And yet, if you're saying that "those on the right would say"
something,
> >> and it's not true, you're wrong regardless of the cause being ignorance
> >> or lying. Which is it?
>>
> ahhh, progress. But then, like you tend to do, you kept writing and
> that's where it gets worse...
>
> > The fact is though, what I said the right
> > would say is precisely what many, probably most, right wingers would
say.
>
> Ah, so you posted something wrong, I corrected you, and now you restate
> while telling me I've been the wrong one all along. Well, at least you
> got your statement to an accurate one - if you add "I'm guessing" or "In
> my opinion" or "I bet, based on my personal biases and ignorance". Good
> show - you're maybe trainable.

This is a newsgroup discussion not a peer reviewed article so it's assumed
that everyone knows that unless a statement is specifically stated to be
factual it is opinion or a generalization. I haven't noticed that you
qualify every opinion statement that you have made so why should everyone
else have to?

>
> There you go again. 1 step forward, 1 step back. Ah well.
>
> >> > Like this, Bush didn't respond to Hurricane Katrina for so long
because
> > he
> >> > didn't know about it.
> >>
> >> So, is that another lie, or are you just an idiot?

> You claim Bush didn't know about the hurricane because he was "on
> vacation". You are wrong. Are you wrong due to you being ignorant of
> what he said about it when, or are you wrong because you know damn well
> what he was doing but choose to lie about his reaction to further your
> political viewpoint? This _is_ black and white. You _are_ wrong, and
> it's either because you don't know it (ignorant) or you do know it
> (lying). This isn't difficult.

You are simply misinformed. It was confirmed again today on the McGlocklin
Group that Bush was on vacation and was unaware of the situation in
Louisiana. He doesn't read newspapers, that is an established fact everyone
has known about for years. He relys on his aides to inform him. He was not
watching television so he did not know what was going on. He didn't find out
until Dan Bartlett, his communications director burned a CD that showed what
was going on and gave it to Bush. That was two days after the problems
started. Those are the facts. Try reading and you'll be able to confirm it
yourself.

What I just told you isn't my opinion or a lie. It was reported in Newsweek
and I've heard it confirmed twice by two different reporters. If you have
solid evidence that what I have just said isn't true then, by all means,
lets see it. Otherwise, time to eat crow.

> >> You must be a troll. OK, ha ha, you got me. Nobody could seriously
> >> believe that that's how it went. Especially with, you know, the
> >> published timelines and all, but by all means keep digging.
> >
> > I report, you decide.
>
> I've decided, all right.

Yeah, you decided but before you had the facts.

>
> >> SeewhutImean?
> >
>
> You assert, then, that while Bush is on vacation, that he doesn't have
> any contact with the outside world? iPod on, playing with chainsaws or
> whatever, and nobody talks to him? Please answer specifically this
> question rather than evading it if you can.

I already answered this question above, and yes, that's about the size of
it, Bush was not informed of the situation. He also didn't have Karl Rove
around to help him this time either because he was getting treated for
stones, kidney or gall, which I don't know.
>
> >> A bit of advice, Hawke. You're a fairly good troll, but your parody of
> >> an uber-leftist is a bit too strong to take seriously. I don't think
> >> it's going to be bought by hardly anyone, being over-acted as you're
> >> doing.
>
> > To you a middle of the road moderate is a left wing troll, which shows
where
> > you fit in; way, way, way to the right not a little as you say you are.
>
> See, there you go telling me (wrongly) what I believe again. I _know_
> it's not due to ignorance, because I have educated you as to where I
> stand, so this is clearly because you have chosen to lie. See how that
> works?

Yes I do. You call me an uber leftist and that's fine but when I call you a
rightist it's not. Is that about the way you see it? To the fair minded that
kind of thing is called hypocrisy. You take me to task for labeling you as
being far right but you have already labeled me uber-leftist and a troll.
You have to be joking.
>
> > Maybe that's the reason nobody believes anything you say except other
right
> > wing types. You probably have lots of friends who are liberals, right?
>
> Sure, why not?

Because true conservatives don't have liberal friends. That's a
generalization (how's that) but for the vast majority it's true.

> > And
> > blacks too.
>
> Um, never thought of it in those terms, but yeah, so what's your point?
> All Bush supporters are racists or something? For the record, I also
> have gay friends. So?

That's a typical weasel way of trying to not look racist or homophobic or
mysoginist when you really are. It's easy to say I have lots of friends of
color, and women, and gays when you really don't. The fact is most people
don't have a wide variety of people for friends. For that matter most people
don't have a lot of friends, period. But the point is that your view is not
supported or accepted by a lot of people. It's mainly people that are just
like you. You do know that black people don't support the views of the
conservatives don't you? That's a generalization too but I think you
understand the point.

>
> > You're probably just like a cop. Can't stand anyone but another
> > cop. Righties are like that.
>
> You're doing it again. Telling someone what they're like, and being
> wrong. Is it due to ignorance or are you lying?

You're doing it again too. Are you just stupid or is it your ignorance? See
I give you just two choices both of which are unacceptable, just like you
did. Cops don't have a lot of social contact outside of other cops. Didn't
you know that? I am saying that righties are the same way. They associate
with their own kind almost exclusively. That's clear isn't it?

>
> > Are you like that too? I'm waiting to hear you
> > come across as moderate on something. I haven't heard it yet. So you
need to
> > think about where you really fit before you start labeling me as being
> > radical.
>
> Show me where I called you a radical. Use google to provide evidence.
> Idiot, yes. Radical? I don't know, why would I apply a label without
> having facts to back it up? That's _your_ game, not mine.

Radical, uber-leftist, that's the same thing. I didn't even need Google. I
don't know where you got the facts that prove I'm an uber-leftist but you
are saying it anyway. In my book that means you are doing exactly what you
are criticizing me for. So it is your game too after all.

Face the facts you just don't like it when people express opinions that put
down your party. Nothing I said about Bush or the Republican party is new or
way out. It just bothers you to hear your team criticized so you make feeble
attempts to discredit the messenger and defend your party. (the above
statement is the opinion of the writer and is not to be taken as anything
other than that). I expect the same disclaimer from you every time you
present your opinion. Okay?

Hawke


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