Re: "gem quality"
- From: "Peter W.. Rowe," <rec.crafts.jewelry@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:07:25 GMT
On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:45:39 -0700, in ¤õ "John" <dit@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Peter
>>
>> I can't help noticing that this happens often using OE. As well as this
>>post of yours, I have a reply post "Subject: Re: Bracelet inspired by a
>>thrust bearing" by Mike in Arkansas doing the same thing - not showing the
>>original post. Web view is fine though.
>>
>> Is it something in your software settings that need changing?
>>
>> John
John,
If you can find a posting on the net, via web view (such as on Google.com's news
service) that means the posting is corretly posted and has not disappeared
somehow. I have, as moderator, no control over how individual ISP's news servers
handle incoming posts, or even, for that matter, how they handle postings sent to
the group by their subscribers. They are supposed to take those incoming posts
and forward them in email to a centralized set of moderator's relay servers, who's
job it is to keep track of actual moderator's email addresses, and those servers
then forward the post to me. I get it in email, approve or reject it, and if
approved, resend it to my own ISP's news servers. In doing this, it gets new
posting headers, including a new message ID header, so it is in essence a new
posting. But "reference" and "in reply to", and headers like that are retained,
so the structural integrety of the post related to the group listings is
maintained. That means that these posts should then correctly take their proper
place in "threads", if your news reader is set up to show postings sorted that
way. Posting dates in the messages are set (and must be set) to the date I resend
the post to Earthlink's news servers. When earthlink gets the posts from me, they
see the added "approved" header, and then propogate the postings out to the rest
of usenet, and when your ISP's news server gets it, the post should then be
correctly displayed. Normally this works fine, and is the way moderated groups
always work.. But much depends on the way each ISP's news server is set up. Some
few do not correctly handle moderated groups, either dropping posts instead of
forwarding them, or not correctly displaying messages for moderated groups once
they have indeed been approved. As moderator, the only thing I can do about this
is to try and contact the news admin at those ISPs and call the situation to their
attention. Sometimes this works, sometimes not. Subscribers to that ISP can, of
course, do the same thing, and often have more clout because they are paying for
service.
When posts are not showing up in someones news reader, sometimes the error is in
one's own news reader. OE is actually notorious for this sort of thing, since it
does not always give you easy indications as to just how you've got it set up, and
changing the sorting means is easy to do without meaning to, with an errant click
on the header bar when reading groups. If, for example, you've got the display
set to not expand threads, then the only posts you see displayed are those which
begin a thread, not followups. That can be confusing if you don't realize it's
doing it. And I think it's also possible, though I'm not sure, to configure OE to
not show you your own sent postings, presumably on the theory that you already
know what it says? Not sure about that. But check.
The best way to figure out the status of a posting is to first check Google's news
servers. Though somewhat slow to update (so allow enough time for me to recieve
and approve a post, and for Google to then get it and post it on their servers),
they do seem to have a quite robust setup, and so far, it seems to correctly
handle the group's postings. So check there first. If a post is there, then it's
been correctly approved and sent to the group. If it is then not in your news
reader, try doing a search in the group for the message ID header, which you
copied from the listing in Google (requires you to look at the full header set for
the message). See if OE can then find it, and where it's hiding it from you. It
may be necessary sometimes to unsubscribe from the group, clear out OE's database
for the group, and resubscribe fresh, downloading all available headers for the
group again. That will usually be several months worth, a long list, but you
should then be able to see all posted messages that are still on the server.
As to my own software settings, as you can tell from the posts headers, I use
Forte Agent to moderate the group, because it functions as both email client and
news client, and becuase, unlike most such programs, it gives me actual access to
the headers, including the approval header (requires undocumented changes to the
..ini file, but that's easy enough to do.) Agent does seem to have some quirks.
I'm never quite sure just exactly which incoming headers I should be retaining. I
*think* I'm keeping all the right ones, according to other moderators I
communicate with, but who knows. One odd quirk that I know originates in my
software is that some incoming posts display normally when I get them, but when
they make it to the group, the carriage return/line feed characters get turned
into =20 sequences. It's not consistant, and no doubt has something to do with
character encoding character sets between incoming and outgoing messages, but to
date, i've not found an actual answer as to what I can do to change this behavior.
Fortunately, it's only annoying, not fatal, to a message, and if I notice it
happening, sometimes I'll take the time to manually edit out the offending extra
characters when sending a message.
But beyond that, as I say, the problem is likely not with my software settings,
but rather somewhere else in the chain, either your ISP, your software, or one of
the several servers that much correctly handle a post between you're sending it
and you're seeing it again in the group listings.
Hope this helps.
Peter Rowe
moderator
rec.crafts.jewelry
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