Re: masters
- From: "Peter W.. Rowe," <rec.crafts.jewelry@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 01:31:11 GMT
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:08:47 -0700, in hõ Ted Frater <ted.frater@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>>Hi Peter,
>> Im happy for you to post Abrasha's reply. Do let him speak for himself.
OK, in future I'll keep my mouth (or fingers, actually) shut, and leave well
enough alone between you two. Prolly should have done that in this case as well.
You'll note that I DID allow the post in question. My problem with it is not one
of letting him or anyone else speak for themselves, or what was said. Only how it
was said. My problem is simply that the group charter, which I'm bound to try and
interpret and follow as moderator, prohibits "personal attacks". All I ask is
that posters with an argument on any level with another poster, try and keep their
language to a reasonably civil and professional level, not devolving into name
calling or swearing.
Among other things, this has much to do with the very nature of a written
communication. In person, I rather imagine that Abrasha might have said much the
same words to you, but that in person, voice inflections, perhaps a bit of a grin,
or maybe even just an intense look in the eyes, or whatever body language would
come into play, would change the emphasis of the statements from a direct personal
attack to a "challenge" on a more professional and serious level. I see this sort
of subtle difference between written and verbal communication a lot, and it can be
confusing when you're not aware of it, and sometimes even when you are. In
person, replying "bullsh*t" to a statement is almost just casual punctuation.
Crude punctuation, but just that, quickly passed by on the way to further
conversation. In print, well, it doesn't disappear, does it. Just sits there on
the page, challenging you again and again. Verbally, it's like the bit of
polishing compound that didn't come off in the cleaner, making it's appearance,
then easily wiped off. In print, it's the serious pitting in a bad solder seam
you find after you've finished the final rouge polish. No more visible than that
bit of rouge, but it doesn't wipe off.
Add to this that in person, words are spoken, one responds, and people move on in
a short time scale. Any over statements can be quickly modified or corrected.
Communication in person is not just one way, it's almost a negotiation of
meanings. On the net, it's one way at a time, with plenty of time to stew over a
message, and perhaps become increasingly incensed over a perceived meaning,
whether intended or not. It quickly can devolve into the online equivalent of
"road rage". So it seems useful for posters to try and use a somewhat more
careful vocabulary when online, so as not to set these unintended interpretations
of one's meaning in motion.
Oh, and for your info,
"where's the beef?" is a somewhat well known quote here in the U.S. from one of
the more successful Television advertisements ever done by the Wendy's hamburger
restaurant chain. Originally, an old lady was buying a competitors burger, looked
in side, and yelled "where's the beef?", presumably implying the burger was
smaller than she expected, and that she should have dined at Wendy's. Etc. Etc.
It became famous, due to the voice, her character, etc. and has become something
of an iconic American slang expression to indicate wondering where the "meat of
the matter" is. Ie, where's the substance, or to suggest that something is not as
substantial as it's presented to be. Sometimes it's said just for it's
"challenge" value....
Peter Rowe
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