Re: eBay to Hide Winning Bidders


"note.boy" <note.boy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Bruce Remick" <remick@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Reid Goldsborough" <reidgoldsborough@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Oct 29, 1:59 pm, "Bruce Remick" <rem...@xxxxxxx> wrote:

Why do you need to see the winning bidder's ID in an auction that's not
yours?

Here's why this is bad. This is how people get tipped off -- or used
to get tipped off -- that they're about to become victim of
counterfeit fraud, which as you no doubt know is rampant there.

Many people have been active alerting winning bidders to known
forgeries that they were about to buy as authentic coins despite this
being against eBay rules and despite risking their eBay I.D.s. Selling
forgeries is against eBay rules too though eBay is far more active and
spends far more resources in stopping "auction interference" than
auction fraud. With this new rule, the alerting of fraud will stop and
the selling of forgeries will only increase yet further in frequency.
Watch these Chinese forgeries explode on the market.

Others do it differently, but what I've personally been doing when
coming across transparently blatant forgery scams, if I have the time
(not enough time in the day ...) and inclination, is pointing
"winning" bidders to Web pages I or others have done about a
particular forgery type, giving them a chance to educate themselves.
No auction interference, just providing an educational service. This
will now be impossible too.

If some winning bidders are inclined to respond to third party
post-auction offers-- fraudulent or otherwise-- then they should be
prepared to accept any risks, as well as the wrath of eBay. I would
venture that the vast majority of items auctioned on eBay are not items
that are being counterfeited. With coins, I don't believe it's the
obligation of the educated to warn eBay bidders of a potential
counterfeit. Who's to say that the "warner" isn't a scammer or
competitor himself? If one must take up the cause, simply warn eBay
about a suspicious auction. That should satisfy any moral obligation.
Otherwise, I still don't see why an honest person should be that
concerned about not seeing the ID of a winning bidder in someone else's
auction.





Impossible to spot repeat shill bid winners, preventing an item being sold
too cheaply to a genuine bidder. Billy

The bottom line is that if you lose an auction, regardless of who beats
you-- genuine or shill, you simply didn't bid high enough. But after
constantly getting outbid by ONE bid lately, I keep thinking how great it
would be if that one bidder had gotten sick or been away for the end of the
auction (assuming he didn't use a snipe program), I'd be the proud owner of
some attractive half cents today. I can live with it easier if several
people outbid me. But that one phantom bidder seems to be following me
around lately.

On eBay, one thing I have observed BTW, what with this gloomy economy, is
that higher grade copper coins (i.e. large & half cents) are still bringing
more than book. And more and more bidders are ignoring problems like
gouges, PVC, and old cleanings on these coppers and bidding as if they were
perfect. I wonder if that's because most copper collectors don't plan to
send their coins away to be graded by a TPG who might body-bag problem
coins.





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