Re: History repeats when it comes to $1 coin

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On Aug 27, 12:54 am, "Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com>
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sgt23 wrote:
On Aug 26, 3:32 am, "Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com>
wrote:
sgt23 wrote:
On Aug 25, 5:56 pm, "Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com>
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Voltronicus wrote:
On Aug 23, 9:17 am, "Mr. Jaggers"
<lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote:

Show me a Senator from either party whose pockets are not
getting lined by a special interest group,

Well, of course, there are the dead ones.
They tend to be extremely low key in their bribe seeking,
although I suppose there are those with enough cupidity left
to rise up from the grave at the mention of a "campaign
contribution".

The last time I heard the word "cupidity" used I was a high
school sophomore in Latin II class. It ranks right up there
with "impecunious", "calumny", and "antepenult." Thanks for the
memories!

James the Nostalgic

Was your teacher from France, learned the language "french" in
college, or was she one of them people who went to France on
vacation. When she came back, she thought because she had
learned a few words of french she could come back and teach it.
I think the French teacher I had in Jr. high was of the latter.

Interesting that you automatically assumed it was a "she." My
teacher was from the U.S. and got her training at university. I
had her for both two years of Latin and two years of French, and
she was one of the most thorough teachers I ever had. She is the
one, more than any other, who inspired me to become a French
teacher myself, a profession I pursued for 33 years. She's now
into her 80s, and we still correspond twice a year. She's a
keeper.

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I guess the educators really don't care anymore. The reason I said
she is that I've only known french teachers to be females. Also
speaking of how old teachers are, I think my Kindergarten teacher
would probably in her 80s now.

My K teacher is still alive at 95. Must have been something in the
Lincoln School water. Come to think of it, it did taste pretty
nasty. Your claim that "educators really don't care anymore" is
gratuitous
and totally without reliable evidence to support it.

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Maybe they don't have time to care anymore. Maybe we should go back
to the old ways of learning. Where you had to repeated everything
until you got it right. I remember seeing a writing journal on
antique roadshow. Where the kids use to be required to repeat
everything until it was perfect. The handwriting and grammar was
much better than now. Now days they're are too many kids in one
class room, and the teachers are required to rush everything.They
pretty much no room for reaching at too the students who really
want to learn. I over heard my teachers in high school complain
about this numerous time, about there is just not enough time too
teach. Plus now the schools don't show the student how to study. My
college professor for English said that when a lot of these kids
come into college, they do not know how to study for test.Many
students are having to relearn now to learn if that makes any
sense. I just wonder how bad the education system will be 10 more
years from now? ***********************

You had a college professor for English ?? Was he or she a relative
?? Did you ever have to write a paper that was graded for spelling,
grammar, etc. ??

In my opinion, the problem educators would have today in trying to
teach younger kids the "old way" would be to overcome the
calculators and computers that many kids believe are shortcuts that
can help them get by without studying math, spelling, history,
language, penmanship, etc. Internet access on your Iphone will
guide you through life's obstacles. You even can communicate via
grunts and text messages with no need to
concentrate on speech, grammar or spelling. Google and Wikipedia
are your friends. The rest are on Facebook.

Even though seven years separate me from my teaching days, I do not
buy into the gloomy portrait you paint of today's kids. They
respond in predictable ways to the environment they find themselves
in, as kids have done for tens of thousand of years. They are
educable, sometimes in spite of the best efforts of educators.

Unfortunately, one of sgt's observations has the ring of truth about
it: "maybe they don't have time to care." In 33 years I weathered,
I believe, six "education improvement" plans, which consisted of
generating mountains of paperwork, each plan requiring a more
voluminous mountain. All of these plans were unfunded, and the
infrastructure promised to help implement them never materialized. Thus
the paperwork, which occupied countless hours of time, both
within and without the school day, disappeared, unexamined and
forgotten, into file cabinets, only to see the light of day when it
was thrown away to make room for the next plan. The ultimate result
of each round of "plans" was to take good teachers' attention and
energy away from what they should be doing - teaching - while
failing to improve the ones who needed it the most. School is a subset of
society. It cannot and will not improve
significantly without a corresponding improvement in the host
society. The host society, after all, is the source of all the
personnel working in the school system, from lunch room aide to
superintendent. James the Pedantic

In my/our school days in the 1950's, kids who couldn't or wouldn't
learn in school weren't force-fed like today's "No Child Left Behind"
kids into somehow being awarded a high school diploma when they could
barely read and write at a fourth grade level. Those kids failed
back then. If they cared enough to repeat the subject(s) they
failed, they did. Otherwise, many stopped kidding themselves
academically and ended up pursuing a manual trade or entering
military service. There wasn't as much of a "failure" stigma back in
the 1950's for those who chose to be bricklayers and mechanics
instead of mathematicians. Ironically, those who weren't quite smart
enough to get into the college they wanted ended up entering
community colleges with a teaching career in mind.
I was partially exaggerating in my rant about kids and computers. The one
difference that stands out in my mind between teaching
methods now and then is the way many of today's teachers try to show
the relevance of subjects like algebra and geometry to actual
situations likely to be encountered in life. I recall the trouble I
had trying to figure out who or why anyone would need to use the
quadratic equation on the job, because the teacher never explained
how algebra or geometry could be used to solve real problems.

You have identified a major part of the problem. The idea that "all
third-graders will read at the third-grade level" as the result of NCLB or
any other scheme is absurd. The human race is not constituted that way.
Yet school districts are now forced to squander precious resources trying to
make silk purses out of many a sow's ear. Add to that the palpable fact
that all kids are now considered together - the test scores of behavioral
disorder kids, severely handicapped kids, low-IQ (sorry for the anachronism,
I am not up to speed as to what they are officially called these days) kids
must now be factored into a school district's composite. Surprise! Test
scores are declining. Kids who have no business really going to college are
now taking the ACT and SAT. Surprise! Test scores are declining. School
administrators are now being evaluated on the percentage of graduating
seniors. Surprise! Etc.

Everybody is now an expert on education, as everybody has either been to
school or knows someone who has.

James the Happy Retiree




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