Re: OT: Anyone have comment on the 60-Minute story about "oil sands" in Canada


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> Oil production is expensive? No. It's aways entailed costs, some more
> than others. Oil production is more or less profitable at certain
> price levels, I would buy. Oil sands use up about half of the oil in
> energy required to produce product, shale? There is no shortage of
> energy, there is no shortage of oil, there is only an huge industrial
> community that is in control, who's main interest is in producing
> profit in the face of competition for profit. If the Saudis wanted to
> wreck our economy, all they need to do is ruin US and Canadian
> producers by selling the oil at near cost, about a dollar a barrel or
> less considering how long an oil pump lasts. What havoc?
>
> Oil shale is harder to process than oil sands, but it will be
> profitable when there is nothing else. We waste more petroleum base
> than we actually use, what with throw away plastic everything, and
> wasteful heating and air conditioning and personal transport, like
> giant unanimous SUVs. Will steel be cheap when shipping it is dear?
>
> Dirty oil is obsolelescent as motor fuel, with ethanol visible on the
> horizon. Ahoy! Air Ho! Is the Prez gonna protect this buggy whip
> industry, to the detriment of really innovative new industry?
>
> The Prez sez he needs to protect the economy. Well, I think his job is
> to protect the people from commercial interests, especially from
> monopolistic commerce and the military industrial complex, who's
> primary interest is to wage war, at a profit. Remember "Of the people,
> by the people, for the people?" Remember Eisenhower?
>
> What pisses me off is there is nowhere I can buy a light, two seat
> vehicle with a canvas weather cover and the absolute minimum cost per
> mile, subsidized by lower tax, to defend the people's environment, a
> bachelor's car I can angle park into half a parking spot on campus, or
> at work. Why is that? Protecting the established economy? By whom? For
> whom? From whom?
>
> It's the same with restraunts, if you think about it. How to maximise
> profit in a restraunt? Sell only big meals is how, charge high prices.
> Unfortunately, that business practice costs everybody in terms of
> obesity, larger tables, more room to swing stronger chairs, etc. Biggie
> size for a buck? How about mini size, for half price, mandated
> available, or diet sized, 2/3, plate, for 3/4 price? How about seal
> pepper burgers? Yum!
>
> No government has the right to lie to the electorate about matters of
> governance, ever. About his gambling preference, brand of whiskey, girl
> friends, even boy friends, whatever, doesn't matter, so long as
> governance isn't affected. As soon as the lie is about external intrest
> interference, it matters. All you need do is ask the right questions.
>
> Elected officials have a binding contract with the electorate, and that
> contract is delineated by a constitution. Breaking that contract in
> spirit is a high crime, treason. Traitors go to jail, if they are
> lucky. Do the rights of the people outrank the rights of the
> government?
>
> How can people not know this? Protest your ass off!
>
> Ethanol is made from the agricultural waste you can't make paper bags
> out of, or feed to cows. How do you make a 2 x 4 lumber from plasic
> bags? Heat, extrude, gasify, cool. At about a hundred miles per hour,
> I bet. Using some waste for ethanol instead of mulch may impoverish the
> soil.
>
> Small business is the heart of any country. All you need is justice,
> and new business will grow faster than mushrooms. Interest on loans is
> the main cause of all of our problems. All loans should have a fixed
> term, and a fixed fee, with conditions on profit sharing, is all. Some
> of the borrowers' or lenders' business profit could even be paid back
> to the borrowers or lenders, like reverse interest bonuses.
> Computerized loan administration would eliminate many requirements for
> labour paid to supervise. Loan supervision should be a fixed fee per
> transaction service offered by large and small business, with
> underwriting of capitalisation bonds being the only constraint
> regarding how much you could supervise. Naturally, the gov would have
> the power to finance any project not requiring imports, including small
> business, for a small fee. How much does the gov give to small
> business as opposed to large, per capita? Why should the richest get
> richer?
>
> Who would stop them? So many zeros heaped up in bank accounts,
> unspendable in one lifetime, or ten. The government must protect the
> people from moneyed intrests. Perhaps by printing new fiduciary
> instruments, to prevent counterfeit and laundering? Exchange deadlines,
> audit of large conversions? Control of electronic transfers, even to
> national portals for the internet?
>
> Why is not all insurance considered disaster assistance, civil defense,
> paid and underwritten by the national bank, interest and profit free,
> assistance to the few repaid without interest by premiums from the
> many, after the fact, intrest free loans, supervised as loans?
>
> Every man is a business, and needs no license, except contracts should
> be registered by a witness, for a fee. Do those three automatically
> become a corporation? No. It would take four, with registration for
> supervision.
>
> Shakespeare wrote of interest and bonds, risks and and remedies. The
> merchant of Venice inspired nazism, I suspect, it had nothing to do
> with romance. Having to do with LETS, the local money bondage
> championed by engineer Turmel, it begs how to collect an hour's wages?
> Workhouses and penalties, bonds? These questions have been with
> civilisation forever. Only law, contracts, and justice can make it
> work, even internationally.
>
> Who to impeach?
>
> The question of energy efficiency, not profit, remains the big issue.
> How to encourage thrift?
>
> Sailing? On a surfboard? Why not? A kite to lift a big parawing on a
> big boat? Why not? Cheaper cargo vessels? Why not? Ask Paul Martin.
> Capital. Profit.
>
> Economy? A small, cheap electric vehicle, a little more commodious
> than a bicycle? A Buckmienster Fuller style reverse tricycle kit with
> weather canvas, liquid nitrogen air conditioning, one hybrid electric
> wheel motor, rechargeable at home, or by small genset, even with
> hydrogen as fuel from a giant bag of gas in the attic, made by solar
> cells on the roof also good for warm water and air? Self aligning
> collectors concentrating solar rays through slits onto cells aligned
> with the moving light bars to maximise output voltage, peak to gutter,
> cooled by air or water in a black lined box?
>
> Regenerative braking with wheel motors? Often while driving, I coast
> toward green lights, not arriving at the stop line until it has gone
> red and green again, to save wear on the brakes, and fuel. It might be
> a little slow. I could go faster, cheaper, with brakes that recharge
> the battery efficiently, without wearing out parts and causing asbestos
> dust. How to save on tires?
>
> Who races around town? PWCers?
>
> Who will build such free energy toys?
>
> Sailors?
>
> Terry K
>

Nice screed!

I understand that Cuba, Venezula, and some countries over in Asia would
welcome a person like yourself. Hell, I'll even buy your plan ticket, a
one-way ticke, so that you can go and partake of a peoples paradise.



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