Re: OT: US Engineers/Scientists a vanishing breed


<chuckgould.chuck@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
> From today's New York Times:
>
> October 13, 2005
>
> Top Advisory Panel Warns of an Erosion of the U.S. Competitive Edge in
> Science
>
> By WILLIAM J. BROAD


>
> ¶The cost of employing one chemist or engineer in the United States is
> equal to about five chemists in China and 11 engineers in India.
>


Scientific research is another one of the fields that is easily
transported overseas. Give a guy agent A and reagent B and have him mix
them together in New Delhi, and he'll get the same results as if he
mixed them together in Omaha. With computerization, his process,
progress, and an organized record of his results are a key stroke away
from anywhere in the world.

That, and the fact that we no longer respect science or scientists in
the US. We're pedalling backward as fast as we can toward the dark
ages, when we interpreted the universe based on faith, rather than
observed phenomena and fact. The media with the largest audience in the
US continues to decry any scientific data that disagrees with a strict
and literal reading of the King James English
translation/interpretation of Hebrew Scriptures as "junk science".
Scientific facts that are politically or economically inconvenient,
(such as global warming) are dismissed as "theories". The new trend of
forcing schools to teach Hebrew Creationism as a form of science mocks
the very foundation of science, the "scientific method."

At the rate we're going, we'll soon have some fundamentalist group
insist that the rest of the universe really just might rotate around
the earth as the Bible implies and that this possibility needs to be
taught as equally viable with any modern "theories of junk science"
astronomy.

No wonder our kids don't want to be scientists.


Bull! We have killed off a lot of the sciences by allowing enormous H1 visa
programs. Keeping the salaries depressed in the engineering disciplines.
My maybe future son in law, is a Materials Scientist from Penn State with a
MS. I was searching Monster.com for his discipline. I see salary offers of
$40-70k at some companies. They are the ones who will get an H1 visa for a
foreign engineer, as they say they can not find an engineer locally. Where
is the incentive to spend $125k+ getting to the masters level for a $50k
job?


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