Re: OT:It's All Our Fault


"NOYB" <noyb@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "HarryKrause" <harry.krause@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > atl_man2@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> >> NOYB wrote:
> >>
> >>> The only passage from the New Testament that discusses death or dying
is
> >>> Romans 1:32. But if you know anything about the Christ's teachings,
> >>> you'd
> >>> know that "death" is the antonym for "everlasting life". In other
> >>> words,
> >>> he/she who willfully continues to sin (even when they know such
actions
> >>> are
> >>> a sin) will never ascend into Heaven and receive everlasting life.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Need some more?
> >>
> >> The New Testament attributes the following statements to Jesus:
> >>
> >> "I say to you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from
> >> the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away.
> >> As for my enemies who do not want me to reign over them, bring them
> >> here and kill them in my presence" (Luke 19:26-27).
> >>
> >> "Do not think that I have come to send peace on Earth. I did not come
> >> to send peace, but a sword. I am sent to set a man against his father,
> >> a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her
> >> mother-in-law" (Matthew 10:34-35).
> >>
> >
> >
> > Published on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 by the Toronto Star
> > Who's Taking Blame for Christian Violence?
> > by Calvin White
> >
> >
> > Now that imams in Britain and Canada are standing up and publicly
> > condemning terrorist acts as anti-Muslim and against the teachings in
the
> > Qur'an, I wonder if pressure might be put on Christian leaders to take a
> > similar stand.
> >
> > Contrary to what some might like to insist, Christianity is not the
> > religion of "an eye for an eye" but it is the religion of Jesus, who
> > refined those earlier directions and distilled the ten commandments into
> > two. One was to "love thy neighbor as thyself." Pretty definitive isn't
> > it? As is the edict of turning the other cheek.
> >
> > Jesus expected to be betrayed. He expected to be arrested by the
> > authorities. There was no exhortations to prepare for battle. There was
no
> > bloody attempt to stop the proceedings.
> >
> > Even as Jesus was brutalized while carrying his own crucifixion cross
and
> > being nailed onto the timbers, there was no violent counterforce from
his
> > disciples. Not even an outcry.
> >
> > No matter where one reads in the accounts of Jesus, the only conclusion
> > one can come to is that Jesus was about love.
> >
> > So where are the Christian leaders when it comes to violent actions by
our
> > Western leaders? Where are the televangelists, who every Sunday take
over
> > the airwaves to trumpet the message of Jesus, when it comes to taking on
> > bunker busting bombs and mass carnage?
> >
> > Where are they when it comes to the death penalty prevalent in the
> > majority of American states?
> >
> > When President George Bush insists that billions of dollars need to
> > continue flowing to the war effort in Iraq which leads to more American
> > body bags and Iraqi graves, why is there no outcry? Why don't the
> > Christian leaders stand up and challenge those decisions, and
passionately
> > assert that Jesus would have sought another way of solving the problems?
> >
> > In this time when Christianity is on the rise all over America, when
there
> > is a growing surge in extolling Christian values, why is it that when
the
> > born-again Bush says it's better to fight "them" over there than on
> > American soil, no concerted group of leaders stands up and yells that
he's
> > got it wrong?
> >
> > Like Bush, British Prime Minister Tony Blair is also born again.
> >
> > Yet, their combined leadership has been responsible for excruciating
death
> > and injury to innocent civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq.
> >
> > They both claim a righteousness in their policies of destruction. They
> > were even counseled by their secular allies not to resort to the
carnage.
> > Where was the equal pressure from the Christian leadership?
> >
> > Interesting, isn't it, that Muslim fanatics use the idea of holy jihad
and
> > rewards in paradise to recruit their dupes into terrible acts of
> > destruction, and in Christian circles there is the solemn assembling for
> > prayer and seeking of blessings for the troops and leaders in their
> > mission of war.
> >
> > Interesting, isn't it, that polling clearly indicates the Christian
right
> > in America is emphatically against bad language on TV and in the movies,
> > horrified by Janet Jackson's bare nipple - but drawn with considerable
> > relish to violence in the same media.
> >
> > The additional galling irony of Jesus being emblazoned on the foreheads
of
> > those in command of the sharpest swords is that Jesus was also all about
> > intelligence. He was all about deeper understanding, about using insight
> > and keenness of mind to solve problems. Think of how the Pharisees tried
> > to trick him by holding up different sections of the law to trip him up.
> >
> > His disciples picking corn, for instance, and thus working, on the
> > Sabbath. Jesus answered that the Sabbath was for man and not the other
way
> > around. There was the adulteress brought before him to be stoned; he
> > responded that any without sin might cast the first stone.
> >
> > What kind of insight have Bush and Blair employed? What intelligence,
what
> > deeper understanding is demonstrated by the tactic of blast and shoot
with
> > as much technologically advanced weaponry as is available?
> >
> > What compassion, what recognition of common humanity is shown when the
> > biggest concern is how to pad the soldiers with as much body Kevlar and
> > the humvees with as much armour as possible so they can kill all the
> > easier without casualties - and thus retain the support of the home
front.
> >
> > How do our current religious leaders think Jesus would react to the
> > concept of collateral damage?
>
> But we're not fighting this as a religious war. We're not using passages
> from the bible to support a call to terrorism or mass murder. We're
> fighting this war out of necessity for our own survival. Religion is only
> an issue for the Muslims who seek us out because we're not Muslim.
>

Why am I not surprised by such tripe coming from the Toronto Star.........I
bet the writer would be the first to whine if Bush referenced his religion
WRT his policy making.

>
>


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