Re: Rigging failure!


"Bruce in Bangkok" <brucepaige@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:f66lh3tpjtj0rdvg1v10emc798rv4ukcnv@xxxxxxxxxx
On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 15:31:47 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
<wilburhubbard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Even more deleted...

The proper time of the year to sail from Australia to
Malaysia/Thailand is at the beginning of the S.W. Monsoons when you
have the wind behind you. You sail up through the Indonesian
Archipelago so you don't get typhoons and you arrive in
Malaysia/Thailand during the early to mid S.W. Monsoon. You then park
and wait until the N.E. monsoon starts at the end of the year to make
the next jump.

That's ONE way to do it, yes. But I maintain it's the lazy man with a
marginal boat who does it that way. May I suggest you get yourself a
copy of "World Cruising Routes" by Jimmy Cornell. You will undoubtedly
note alternatives to the sit-at-the-dock-for-half-a-year method you seem
so enamored of. Check out the pages 16-24. Look at the wind arrows.
There's only a small part of the ocean where the arrows indicate a beat.
So what? Beating is part of voyaging. And, besides, those wind arrows
aren't cast in cement. They represent an average only.

But, one needs a stout vessel and one that can hammer her way to weather
when necessary. So, you got NW monsoon winds the course you wish to make
is west. I guess your crummy boat won't go west in a NW wind but my Swan
68 can and does. Forget about any Amel Maramus doing it. Those boats are
little more than condo barges. Without motoring, they go to weather
little better than a haystack.

Wilbur Hubbard

Willie-boy, you actually have so little experience in sailing that it
is futile to even discuss boats or cruising with you. It is S.W. and
N.E. monsoons, not the other way round.

Tell that to Jimmy Cornell who I consider more of an expert than myself. Look at those pages I referred to and you will clearly see NW monsoons shown.


You maintain it is the lazy man with the marginal boat.....

If you simply want to sail around the world you leave Florida (did you
vote for Bush, by the way) and head south until you get far enough to
clear the horn. Turn right and keep going - when you see land again
turn north until you get home. You will have circumnavigated and can
now sit in the bar and brag about it.

That's a dumb way to do it. I would go east around Cape Horn and get into the roaring forties. Beating is something any decent boat should be capable but if there's a choice between a beat and a run, I'll choose running any old day. Even if it's a bit colder.


But, most people who sail around the world want to see some of it, as
they pass through, so they take a more northerly route where they can
and nobody I know wants to embark on a 3,000 mile voyage knowing that
it will be upwind all the way.

Some people do that on purpose. It's called a wrong way circumnavigation. Real sailors know this.


Maybe we should take a census here and see how many cruisers would
rather head off into 3,000 miles of head winds and bad weather or park
the boat and tour China or India, or even fly home to see the
grand-kids, for a few months til the winds change.

If I want to sit at a dock for half my life I'll do so in a civilized part of the world - like the good old USA. Why sit at a dock in a backwater third world country when one has more attractive choices. THAT'S what voyaging is all about. Remember, us real sailors consider the voyage the raison-d'etre. You've surely heard the old saying that it's the voyage and not the destination when it comes to sailing. If you value the destination above the voyage then take a jet.


Willie-boy, it is one thing to sit there in your Easy-Boy recliner and
imagine that you are cruising the world and quite another to actually
do it. You can read Jimmy Conners all you want and look at wind arrows
to your heart's content, but your various comments would be a bit more
credible if they were posted from Tahiti or Capetown rather then from
a trailer camp in South Florida.

That's Jimmy CORNELL. A real world cruiser. I'm surprised somebody who pretends to be a world cruiser isn't familiar with his fine books.


Some people learn from experience, others have no experience to learn
from.


Right you are. It's pretty difficult to learn to voyage while spending most of your life tied to a dock in a third world country. But, to each his own. I can understand your plight. You married a local girl and have been ***-whipped into staying around close to her family. I hope she's very pretty at least and a good cook. Good dog! Heel!

Wilbur Hubbard


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