Re: Need 39t ring for old campy crank

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I thought NR brakes stopped O.K. -- no death grip required, and I
don't remember people being unable to stop back in the day, but with
that said, I much prefer the feel of dual pivots. They have more
braking power and better modulation. I prefer them to any other type
of rim brake.

-- Jay Beattie.
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Jay: "Back in the day" Campy brakes were the best available, and as far
as we knew, they stopped great! Our expectations, frankly, were far
lower than today. What were the alternatives? Let's see... Universal
61s, Weinmann 500s, Mafac, and later on, Modolo... yeah, great stopping
power with any of those compared to what we've got today.

You say that dual pivots "have more braking power and better
modulation." Given that there are times when our ability to get out of
trouble may be determined by the stopping power of our brakes (primarily
front brake; the rear doesn't require much power before the rear wheel
skids), saying that an inferior brake is OK in the context of discussing
current equipment is a bit misleading. They were "OK" back then because
we felt we could safely operate a bicycle with them, and did. But "OK"
for then is not good enough for me today.

Besides, it took a lot less stopping power to deal with the "me" of the
1970s vs today. :-(

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


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dustoyevsky wrote:

Brifters? No culture shock there. Better shifting (by far),

(for a little while)
(compared to ancient friction DT shifters)
(if everything else is compatible)
(maybe)

I'm impressed by the new SunRace stem/downtube shifters for 7sp and
8sp. They have a serious click (perhaps better described as a
"whack") that matches late '80s Dura Ace for noise and positivity.
They don't have a friction option on the rear shifter, which is too
bad. Anyway, those things make any brifters feel like stirring lumpy
oatmeal, at a small fraction of the weight and a smaller fraction of
the cost, with almost assuredly superior longevity.

better
braking, which is much easier on the old fingers, like power-assist
auto brakes compared to the old Nuovo Record stuff

I think that's the brakes and pads, not the ludicrously overpriced
brake levers with ludicrously overpriced mushy shifters built in.

Chalo

Chalo: The older Campy brakes didn't provide much stopping power,
partly
because they were "too stiff" (too much movement at the brake compared
to input at the lever; basically, a poor leverage ratio) and partly
due
to the single-pivot brake design in general. Pads were so-so; changing
them to something larger won't hurt. But anyone comparing those old
Campy brakes to even the cheapest dual-pivot with "mushy shifters" is
going to be in for a very pleasant surprise.

Remember, this goes back to the day you saw riders in the drops all
the
time. Why? Because you needed a death grip to stop your bike! I
remember
a trade show where Shimano was making serious inroads and Campy was
trying to convince people that brakes (in racing) weren't for
stopping,
they were for control. Shimano responded with fancy diagrams and
descriptions showing how much time could be lost in a corner if you
had
to slow down gradually rather than keep your speed up as high as
possible as late as possible.


I thought NR brakes stopped O.K. -- no death grip required, and I
don't remember people being unable to stop back in the day, but with
that said, I much prefer the feel of dual pivots. They have more
braking power and better modulation. I prefer them to any other type
of rim brake.

-- Jay Beattie.


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