Re: spoke fatigue troll

The "jim beam" sock puppet wrote:
Tom Sherman wrote:
The "jim beam" sock puppet wrote:
Tom Sherman wrote:
The "jim beam" sock puppet wrote:
Tom Sherman wrote:
The "jim beam" sock puppet wrote:
Tom Sherman wrote:
Ben C? wrote:
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There are real engineers working at places like Mavic and Shimano but
they don't post on RBT (as far as we know) so all we have to go on is
analysis of the finished products and dubious marketing material.

Why spend money on engineering when it could be spent on marketing?

but they /do/ spend it on engineering!!! where do you think straight pull spokes come from??? where do welded and machined rims come from??? that *** ain't cheap.

And completely unnecessary.

ah, the crux of a lightweight argument. no details. no facts. just hand waving and subjectivity!

If the spokes do not break, the wheel stays true and braking is fine, what more does one get for spending several hundred dollars more? Bragging rights while the bike is parked at the coffee shop?

1. i don't drink coffee, so you won't find me there.
2. my bikes get ridden and look like ***. so no pose value there either.

fabricating straw men, then criticizing that fabrication is simply lightweight.

So "jim beam" just likes to spend extra money?

eh?



Or is he incapable of building a proper wheel out of conventional components?

straw man.


Can he not find a competent builder of proper wheels when so many others do? The mystery of the Bourbon Man deepens.

er, read what i said about local shops and my experience. that's hardly unique.




Conventional spoked wheels with non-machined rims work just fine at a much lower cost, thank you.

they work, but not as well, in several regards previously discussed.

Yes, in "jim beam" world. The rest of us live in the real world.

do your homework. lightweight.

What homework? Reading manufacturer's propaganda and online reviews of dubious origin?

no, reading the fucking archives on why these design elements are beneficial. selective strawman lightweight.



Spending money unnecessarily is not good engineering practice, but how would "jim beam" know that?

"unnecessarily"??? that's utter bull***. r & d - it's what keeps good companies alive.

Plenty of companies do just fine selling unnecessary crap through marketing. A salesman should realize this, no?

more straw men? lightweight.

Open your eyes, "jim".

oh, the irony.



After all, many of the customers are simply interested in the "latest and greatest" and will be frequently upgrading for the sake of staying "current", so durability does not matter too much.

rubbish. see above.

Hit a nerve there "jim"? One only needs to observe the conformist crowd to see that fashion is the most important thing.

the defense of the luddite lightweight.

Ah, "jim" can not insult his sales clients, so he vents on RBT.

coming from a guy whose communist rants show real societal interaction problems, that's rich. all that exhaust-sucking is getting to you tom. time to switch back to an ordinary.

The poster who constantly resorts to childish insults lectures on societal interaction! What a hoot!

you're too low to the ground tom. the monoxide is killing your brain cells.




Remember, conforming to the crowd and having the right look on the "training" rides is what matters to most of the riders who purchase things like pre-built Mavic wheels.


no, they buy and ride them because they're much more reliable than the typical garbage built by their lbs. 5 out of 6 local shops in my experience couldn't build a decent wheel if their life depended on it.
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There are plenty of sources for decent conventional wheels. FedEx and UPS will happily deliver the wheels to your door.

One can even buy inexpensive machine built wheels with quality conventional components, and do the final truing, tensioning, etc. one's self.

I suppose "jim" likes paying more for wheels with expensive proprietary parts.

my pre-built mavic and shimano wheels have been fab straight out of the box. and i'm no lightweight. [unlike you.]

My LBS built wheels have been fine out of the shipping box.


typical tom sherman lightweight non-argument.

Typical "jim beam" non-logic.


see above.

Indeed.


s/n = 1:100

lightweight.

Much smoke but no fire from the "jim beam" sock puppet.

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