Re: Why environmentalist are genocidal mass murderers

--Mike Jacoubowsky
[mail order merchant recommended by me among many others]

You shouldn't sign your corporate affiliation when you lay yourself
open so blatantly to be being described as at the very least an
apologist for racists and genocides; it's not smart publicity.

First off, let's get something straight that we can both probably agree
upon. We are a retail stand-alone operation (two stores) and serve a local
clientele only. We are not in any way, shape or form, a "mail-order
merchant."

The case for & against use of DDT is far more complex than you would like
people to believe. One of the best analysis may be found here-
http://www.malaria.org/tren.html and pay particular attention to the section
titled "The Move Away from DDT." There are a number of reasons why an
alternative must quickly be found; in general, as areas improve their
standard of living, residents become increasingly resistant to having their
houses sprayed (for reasons that have nothing to do with any "environmental"
concerns).

In a nutshell, DDT has done great things for malarial control when used to
spray inside surfaces of houses. It works remarkably well in the
least-developed countries, because the surfaces of the dwellings tend to be
porous, and the staining (white) that comes from the spraying isn't a big
deal. As standards of living improve, a variety of things conspire against
the effective use of DDT, including plastered and painted walls upon which
DDT is not suitable.

It's the use of DDT as a field pesticide that causes the environmental
issues, and its very low price makes it attractive to try and divert from
its use as a malaria control.

The answers for this one aren't as easy as it would seem. Environmental
groups demanding a total ban on its use are likely over-reacting to sins of
the past, but POP (persistant organic pollutants) have to be dealt with in
the most-cautious manner due to their refusal to break down into benign
components. Used without caution and you end up with ever-increasing amounts
of it in the food chain, plus a higher risk of evolution of vermin resistant
to it. Fortunately, those countries (primarily sub-Sahara Africa) most in
need of DDT for malarial control have accepted the fact that its continued
availability requires systems in place to prevent its use for agricultural
purposes.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA


"Andre Jute" <fiultra1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Mar 31, 3:38 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:
environmentalists include too many irrationalists and mass murderers
for someone of my sensitivity to be associated with them.
A single compelling example of mass murder of genocidal scale
committed by environmentalists will do to convict Rachel Carson as the
first in a long line of killer-environmentalists. It's name is DDT.
DDT was banned by politicians riding a rollercoaster of mob action.
Regardless of the lies of trendy "scientists", not a single death from
cancer was ever proven against DDT. But the banning of DDT is counted
the first and the greatest of triumph of environmentalism.

Well yeah, sure, you make a compelling case!

Thank you, Mike. As we shall see when I have disposed of your
quibbles, I have indeed made a compelling case.

Except for one thing. It hasn't been banned in tropical countries where
mosquito-borne illnesses are a major problem.

It is this sort of kindergarten debating trick which makes people
doubt the sincerity of the entire environmental movement. It is
widely known that the poor nations whose populations are killed by
malaria depend for funding of their anti-malaria campaigns on foreign
aid -- and it is equally widely known that almost all those agency
will not sanction aid for DDT spraying. That is a defacto ban, and if
you don't about it, Mike, you shouldn't be posturing in this thread
with sarcastic quips.

Oh darn, one other pesky thing about your logic. You only mention cancer
as
the reason for banning most use of DDT. Nice try.

Yawn. Here we go. Mike doesn't have have any answers so he accuses me
of deceit. Let's see whether I was deceifful or whether I overrated
the concern for human life of the environmentalists on RBT, including
of course you, Mike.

Much of the environmental
movement is about reducing threats to biodiversity, and DDT proved to be a
very significant threat to wildlife (thinning egg shells and severe
toxicity
to many fish and other acquatic species when DDT runoff from fields
entered
streams and lakes).

Yes, but I had already stated in the thread from which this one arose
that I don't care *** for Gaia or the whales, if people need to eat
them. It is this totally inhumane preference for little furry and
feathered creatures to people (and especially to brown people) that
marks the environmentalists out as some of the ugliest people on
earth.

There may come a time when a lack of biodiversity
results in a genocide far greater than theone that you imagine to be
presently happening.

Malaria kills -- and the most effective and cheapest (DDT is out of
patent) treatment is under de facto ban in the poorest countries in
the world. Millions die every year from a disease that is preventable
-- except for the malign influence of the environmentalists' abiding
preference for crawling things over (brown) people. Sneering that I'm
"imagining the genocide" doesn't prevent one death or disablement from
malaria, a permanently debilitating disease.

As for
There may come a time when a lack of biodiversity
results in a genocide far greater than theone that you imagine to be
presently happening.
Gaia has been taking her chances with extinctions and new evolutions
for millions of years, and will for millions of years after the
sentient ape is gone. What the devil makes you, Mike, think our
little moment in time is worth fixing in amber at the cost of millions
of lives? Even the Greek Gods never had the arrogance of the
environmentalists.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
[mail order merchant recommended by me among many others]

You shouldn't sign your corporate affiliation when you lay yourself
open so blatantly to be being described as at the very least an
apologist for racists and genocides; it's not smart publicity.

Andre Jute
Just the fax, mam


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