Re: OT: Driver's licenses for illegals - just to bizarre

SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
On Nov 8, 11:42 am, Jay Beattie <jbeat...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Having nations is a failure of human society. Forgive my
idealism.
A few years in an anarchist's nirvana such as Somalia or
Waziristan might cure you of that.

Nirvana? No. But no one who isn't practicing vulgar ideology says that -- it is a straw man argument. There is no perfect arrangement -- there is only less and more bad.

Why is it that humans get these idiodic philosophical constructs
that entirely ignore reality? Nations are a failure of human
society?

Talk about nuttified philosophical constructs: There is no such
thing as "human society" as some sort of wholistic blob. It is a
silly notion.

Ditto "economy" as has already been discussed. But this is also a matter of scale. There is no such thing as a society from the individual human perspective. There's just me and the people around me. But look farther away, and the farther the distance the clearer "society" and "economy" become and the less clear individuals- and individual differences- become. In this regard it's exactly like trees and forests.

"Socius" is from latin meaning companion. It is "someone you know" and "society" is a voluntary association/group of people who know
each other.

That's incorrect. People are also involuntarily placed in relationships with each other all the time. "Society" exists as a set of shared values and trends in shared ideas, typically imperfectly shared since each individual's perspective is unique.

> Comte, Rosseau, and then Marx (the worst) promoted the
deliberate deception of turning arbitrary and disconnected
populations into "societies" and conflating "society" with
government. Thus the government became "the friend," as if there is
a nice, kind, and gentle way to coerce people. The government is not
"a friend."

Nor is government "an enemy," despite the equally loud claims to the contrary.

If you can poison the language, you can accomplish nearly anything.

Just ask the Republicans, who thoroughly mastered this a couple of decades ago and who- through the Bush Administration- introduced a level of doublespeak into American political life that would have stunned Orwell.

Language is the abstraction/symbolism humans use to reason. Reason can thus be corrupted at the root of abstraction.

Ehhh, only partially true. We can also reason without abstraction and symbols. We can reason before we develop language (even being able to do arithmetic); and other animals also demonstrate behaviors consistent with reasoning to solve novel problems. As far as the "corruption" of language, given that human language does not have absolute meaning it is difficult to corrupt it. Language evolves constantly through daily use and modification to express new experiences.

You have to go with what works. Anarchy does not work.

Better Off Stateless: Somalia Before and After Government Collapse. Peter T. Leeson. Department of Economics. West Virginia University. http://www.peterleeson.com/Better_Off_Stateless.pdf

The Enterprise of Law: Justice Without the State by Bruce L. Benson http://www.amazon.com/Enterprise-Law-Justice-Without-State/dp/0936488298/

Do you accept these as accurate and factual statements, without reservation or exception?

Tribal societies work poorly (at least in the modern world).

They were collectivist. Amusingly and ironically enough, the modern prototypical "progressive" yearns for the "brotherhood" society (collectivism) of the tribe, and is perhaps is the most arch- reactionary human alive. Why call them "progressive?" Dunno -- I just assume it is another deliberate deception of language.

LOL. Nah, call them "progressives" because they believe that cooperative action is the key to both group and community progress. The value of cooperation is such that people working together will virtually always progress further and faster than will the dogged individualists (who almost always people blindly seduced by the Romantic myth of the noble savage and are dependent on the collective work of others, but just won't admit it).

I don't think there is any fundamental right to live anywhere I
want, but then again, I haven't cross-checked that in the
"Fundamental Rights of Man" book.

Well this just shows the poverty of modern legal "education." Modern
lawyers are simply trained in the case method. That is a way of saying they only know how judges and the courts will act (legal positivism), but never really /why/. (As you well know, modern lawyers and judges have to take an oath to "protect the constitution." They don't -- as a profession they are more anti- constitutional than constitutional. Of course, this is because
modern lawyering/judgery is a near perfect example of regulatory
capture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture)

According to the lockean homestead principle, a human has "a right"
to homestead any unused/unclaimed resources. That States have illegitimately siezed lands is no barrier to the fundamental principle. Thus a person can live anywhere based on either consent
of property owners or by homesteading.

Except they can't. Bummer.
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