Re: Olympics Started

On Aug 5, 1:03 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In article <YOURhoward-CA6971.20173604082...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
 Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:





In article
<985baf14-d874-467b-b588-096015bca...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
 Bill C <tritonri...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Aug 4, 10:16 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jul 28, 7:22 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

If you don't understand that homosexuality is a mental illness then I
don't know what to say to you.

   Which is why the American Psychiatric Association took homosexuality
*off*
its list of "illnesses" long ago. But you know more about it than they
do, of
course.

Hey Howard
 I can't figure out who's mentally ill here:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2008/08/04/pride-atta...

Man arrested after hammer attacks during Vancouver Pride celebrations
 <<more there>>
 Must've been that those peaceful, gay, folks were happy and
contagious and needed treatment. I wasn't sure that aversion therapy
was still commonly used.
 They really should get more help for their illness.

Missed the pinheads saying this wasn't a "Hate Crime", but this wasn't
either:

   Perhaps it wasn't - the guy might have just been a whacko in a bad mood
   (or good -
who knows?) and he saw a convenient gathering of people to take out his
frustrations
or whatever on.

"Hate Crime"...sigh...don't get me and SoS and Davey started.

That said, current reports are that the gentleman with the hammer was
"known to the police" and had "a history of mental illness," which is a
polite way of saying that deinstitutionalization isn't always the right
answer for paranoid schizophrenics.

In other words, he didn't have enough sense to hate.

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Ryan my problem is who is defining "mental illness" and how it's being
defined. It's been used as a political, and social weapon quite
frequently, see Stalin in particular towards people who disagreed that
the Soviwet system wasn't paradise on earth, to a lesser extent the
"Gay is mentally defective" crowd, etc...It's also been used to excuse
people from their actions. I believe that folks like Hitler, Pol-Pot,
etc... had serious mental health issues, but still feel they were, and
are responsible for the hate they felt. maybe the hate was caused by
the illness, but the results aren't to be excused.
The closing of the State inpatient mental hospital here in town was a
disaster, except for the activists who ignored the consequences.
Several people in the family worked there, and we used to sit on the
front porch at the house and, since there was transitional housing
around the corner from us, patients being worked back into the
community would stop and talk to my grandfather in particular since he
was average Joe Blow orderly on one of the wards and always talked
fishing, sports, etc...with the folks.
Then they decided to turn out everyone, and did so without making the
massive investment in resources to protect and help these folks. There
was like a 60% casualty rate in the first 5 years or so. He ended up
going to lots of funerals and being really pissed off and bitter about
these people being "dumped". The defense? "We meant well!"
It worked for some, but many paid the ultimate price for the
activists to feel good.
Still see a few around, and my grandmother rented our upstairs apt.
to a couple of patients that we had known to try and help them. The
State screwed that up pretty badly too when the swapped a patient with
pyro issues into a house occupied by an elderly, disabled woman, and
we had a fire.
They never mentioned that little problem.
A lot of the same stuff is happening to special education kids who
are being dumped/mainstreamed. The rallying cry is to give them a
"normal" life. The reality is it's massively cheaper to do that than
provide quality services based on individual needs.
My father-in-law led a parental revolt, and beat the school system
he'd taught special ed in for decades to get programs restored. He was
forced into retirement, but was ready also, and lots of the kids
really suffered massive setbacks due to it all.
Making policy based on pipe dreams, and hopes doesn't work out real
well. IE: Gaza, and Iraq.
Bill C
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