Re: TK was exactly right. OT

On Jul 3, 5:05 am, Bill C <tritonri...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jul 2, 9:35 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jul 2, 8:43 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@xxxxxx> wrote:

On Jul 2, 5:27 pm, Fred Fredburger

<FredFredbur...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Bill C wrote:
Don't remember you're position on Global Warming, but you could say
exactly the same things about that. Why are we bothering with/ about
it?
...
Global warming is not nearly as immediate a danger the collapse of the
fossil fuel based economy might be.

Given Bill's hissy fit that the water coming out of a nuke plant is
warmer than it is going in, I take it by extension that he would like
to see all heat engines in the world shut down, since they all heat
the environment. I'd have to shut down my clown car. :-(

That is his way of helping "gay 'liberals'" kill not just 3rd world
inhabitants, but most all anywhere. The good news is that of whoever
is left, they won't have to worry about running out of fossil fuels.
See how it all works out? Where is the faith?

Large fish kills, and blighted spawning have done massive economic and
environmental damage. Why the hell should any corporation take those
resources out of my pocket without compensation?
Bill C
You bet I'm pissed. You should be too.

http://www.masslive.com/living/republican/index.ssf?/base/living-2/12...
Forests, Parks a big draw for Western Massachusetts vacationers this
summer
Thursday, July 03, 2008
By KEITH J. O'CONNOR
The state's vast arena of forests and parks are quickly becoming the
playground for vacationers who are staying closer to home this summer
given the higher prices at the gas pumps.

"We are seeing a large increase in the volume of inquiries about our
parks and in the number of visitors, while camping reservations are up
over 13 percent from last year," said Richard K. Sullivan, Jr.,
commissioner, of the state Department of Conservation and Recreation.
<<snipped>>

http://www.njsfsc.org/mission/economic/impact.html

Quoted:

As the tables demonstrate, hunting and fishing generate tremendous
economic activity in New Jersey and throughout the US. According to
the Congressional Sportsmen's Foundation (2):

If hunting and fishing were a corporation, it would rank 10th on the
Fortune 500 list, ahead of AT&T and Philip Morris.

Sportsmen support more jobs than twice the number of workers employed
by WalMart, the largest Fortune 500 employer.

Tax revenues generated by sportsmen exceed the box office total of all
United States movie theaters or better yet the combined box office
earnings of the all-time top ten grossing films.

Federal tax revenues generated by sportsmen could pay for the combined
budgets of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, Endangered Species
appropriation, Bureau of Land Management, National Biological Service,
and National Park Service for two years.
<<Snipped>>

We've voluntarily voted to impose those taxes on ourselves and the
goods we use for the good of the resource, for everyone to enjoy.

Imagine that "we've voluntarily voted to impose those taxes on
ourselves." Um, the key feature of taxation is that it is
involuntary. But I'm all for picking out which taxes I will
"voluntarily" pay. lol

Not for it to be looted and destroyed
in the name of corporate welfare.

Well with lingo like that, leftists and eco-frauds are sure to see how
open-minded you are, rather than some superficial facade of open-
mindedness.


But back to the point. About 85% of the electical energy passed to
"the grid" in the US is generated by steam engines. Most of those are
coal, and the rest are nat gas and nukes. (I don't bother counting
any oil plants). They all produce "heat pollution," which is a basic
cost of energy given today's capital structure of energy production
and demand. A part of my point was that nukes can't be singled out
solely on a basis of heat pollution -- all the heat engine generators
do it. If one wants a high-energy life-style, then heat pollution is
a trade-off that is made by default. (Almost all transportation is
heat engine based.)

An essential parameter of heat-engine efficiency is the "cold
reservoir" temperature: raise the cold reservoir temperature and you
get lower efficiency. Water is a favorable resource for the cold
reservoir in part due to its unusually high "specific heat."

Naturally, locating *any* heat engine on a river for using it as the
cold reservoir entails changing the temperature of the outflow water,
and this can, of course, have an effect on the local eco-system. It
could potentially disrupt the eco-system such that certain species can
no longer survive there. However, the river would not typically "die"
from such a thing, instead a new eco-system grows in place, more
suited to the new environment. What I mean to say is that it is not
necessarily an all-for-nothing tradeoff. Moreover, we know at the
outset of demanding a high-energy lifestyle that there will be a
tradeoff. Nukes produce no C02, which is claimed to endanger the
"global environment" via AGW.

So the remaining questions are:

1. is it worth it?
2. what canon of judgement does one use in answering #1 where property
rights don't exist by decree of guvmint?

"We" sure do hate the adult world of tradeoffs.

I want a pony
Sacrifices must be made
Values are funny things
Think globally, act locally

Global warming is a global thing. Think locally by making the
sacrifice of a river for the global cause. After all, you said you
own the river. Maintain the high energy lifestyle, as you value it.

I want a pony. (I love that line.) Besides, the word is that I have
no dog in this fight, while I ride my pony.



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