Re: Report Blames Biofuels for Food Crisis

On Jul 5, 8:28 am, ST <sdst...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 7/4/08 9:52 PM, in article
5a2e9605-5b3e-4c73-85db-bc76ea4e1...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Bill C"

<tritonri...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jul 5, 12:29 am, ST <sdst...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

You guys are not progressives!
Your philosophy of round robin ideals are just sick!!- Hide quoted text -

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If that's, in part, aimed at me that's hillarious.
It's funny as is, but....
Bill C

Not you..
The other guys

Steve you've gotta stop letting Henry get you wound up. I should talk,
right? Anyway, all Mike is saying is that if biofuels are causing some
of the food shortages then we need to be using that land to grow food.
That doesn't take into consideration that tons of farmers in the US
were, and are on life support due to ridiculously low food prices
being paid to them. In the dairy industry in particular the farmers
were, and are going under because the processors wouldn't pay shit,
and the farmers couldn't strike, or dump the milk because they didn't
have the financial resources to survive that action so they died
slowly. Some managed to scrape up the capital to open coop processing
plants and get some relief that way, but that takes mass cash up
front, and is a huge bureaucratic hassle. It's the option I like, and
wish my family had taken, but that's another story.
Now let's open a giant can of worms here, and I'm sure that Henry, at
least, has thought about this.
The planet until very recently has been a brutally self correcting
organism. You populate beyond your resources, you die. Pretty simple.
Occasional natural disaters are the anomaly where areas that are
usuallly self supporting can't for a bit, and in that case food aid
makes sense. Can you see where I'm going with this?
What we have today is increasingly depleted, mostly marginal, land
occupied by people with some of the highest current birth rates. That
behavior rather than leading to natural correction is being enabled by
outside human support in the form of food aid, which is enabling the
unsustainable behavior to not only continue but expand, despite the
increasing reliance on outside artificial support to make this happen.
By providing this without massive, and brutal population control
methods, along with education, and farming improvements we are
enabling these people right into continuing a vicious, suicidal,
unsustainable cycle which is only getting worse.
Mother Nature is a bitch who doesn't give a shit about inalienable
rights or anything else. How "humanitarian" is it to enable people to
overpopulate their resources so that vast numbers of them are brutally
effected by malnutrition issues and diseases when they don't end up
dead?
Unfortunately the Catholic church in particular sees these people as
the key to it's future power and is doing everything in it's power to
keep them breeding, and dependent on them for aid and food, and it's
working out for the Church, but not so well for the people.
This has become a recurring theme in wildlife management, and yes
humans are a form of wildlife for biological survival purposes. Lots
of places deer overpopulation has been enabled and supported by the
reaction of external food aid being delivered to them. This has
resulted in really low quality lives and health for the deer, massive
damage and depletion to the habitat from over grazing, etc...Then it
tends to blow up when there's either a brutal winter and they can't
get the food out to them, or the money runs out on the feeding
programs and there's a massive die off.
This has generally been swept under the rug, and ignored by the
public, and the "Bambi" loving crowd who think Disney movies are
accurate depictions of wildlife and it's management. In several cases
the wildlife biologists who have to live with, and clean up the messes
have taken picture of the giant stacks of corpses of emaciated,
brutally heart wrenching deer piled up waiting for a thaw so they can
be buried, or burned to slam home the folly, and brutality, of
managing lives based on feel good, and emotions. Usually the backlash
is at the biologists, not the people who created the unsustainable
situation in the first place.
All the same applies to humans too.
I've been thinking about this stuff for a long time, and still am not
sure how to deal with it in humans. In animals it's a little easier if
we toss touchy/feely out the window and go with the biologists
reccomendations of increased hunting hwere needed and closely
monitored, along with predator re-introduction which helps put the
natural cycle back together. The predator re-introductions are fought
incredibly hard by livestock types, and ignorant, selfish hunters.
Unfortunately the only real predators today for humans are other
humans.
There's no question the planet would be better off with a smaller
human population, especially in many marginal habitats. This used to
be self correcting, and still is a little bit in wars over basic
resources, but nowhere near enough to get us back to a healthy,
sustainable situation.
Once again I see no good answer other than education, responsibility,
and self control, but those have been almost impossible to make work.
Global warming may very well be Mother Natures answer to human
intrasigence and stupidity, but very few of the folks railing about
global warming want to go anywhere near the population part of the
equation. In a touchy feely world run on emotional spasms that's the
third rail. Again political correctness, or sensibilities, hamstring
the honest discussion of the total, and final solution, and yes I used
that term on purpose.
Nothing is easy, or simple but we need to be discussing ALL of it.
Bill C
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