Re: Discuss!! Question #1

On 4/20/08 11:46 PM, in article
YOURhoward-1A4734.23460220042008@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Howard Kveck"
<YOURhoward@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

In article <C42FE072.523A2%no@xxxxxx>, ST <no@xxxxxx> wrote:

OK......... I am going out on a limb here with one of my deep-thought
philosophical questions..

If Gays are BORN that way, no chance of changing desires or thought patterns
regarding relationship preferences then WHY does (mostly from the same left
-leaning group that agrees with the above statement) the liberal-leaning
crowd ALSO disagree with complete incarceration of, what we call, pedophiles
and related perpetrators instead calling for, at great cost, treatment with
psycho therapists and doctors and allowing these (our legal term) pedophiles
2nd and 3rd chances at out innocent citizens/children??

What is worse than going from a sometimes 50/50 chance of actually being
right predicting weather on the TV news to actually predicting Global
Warming caused by man and we are gonna all die in 50 years??

How about.......... Being elitist enough to know what behaviors are
INGRAINED and a genetic predisposition for then knowing exactly what
behaviors, regarding sexual preference, that can be CURED and deserve
multiple chances by the same elite group?

Are you smartasses that smart enough to know where the line is?? And IF some
of you are gonna come back and say "It is all good UNLESS someone is
hurt/injured/violated!" I am still going to want to know where is the line,
regarding ANY sexual preference, between being born that way versus
individual decision? (free will)

As has been pointed out to you several times, this (and the other
DISCUS!!!! post)
is a logical fallacy. I'll expand a bit on Ben's answer. You're trying to
compare two
very different things like they are the same. A pedophile is involved in a
*non-consensual* relationship with someone that will cause that person harm. A
homosexual relationship between adults is *consensensual* and will cause no
more harm
to either party (or society) than an adult heterosexual relationship. I think
the
consent part is the key.

Ben's right about it being important to teach pedophiles that acting on
their
impulses/desires is bad. Obviously it doesn't always work, which is also the
case for
any crime you can think of. Some people don't learn or can't overcome their
impulses.
You for instance. You often post asshattery like this and get the same results
(which
are never good for you). You "have [us] on the ropes" - dude, you aren't even
in the
same city as the building with the ring. And Ronaldo J is right, your
punctuation
style makes it easy to cap on you. Really easy.

Oh, by the way: more often than not, death penalty oponents don't drop that
when
they're victimized.


You guys are picking the easy answer. Consensual versus not. There are
relationships WE, as humans (even just Americans) consider perverted even
though they agree as partners. I am not asking for an expanation of how we
deal with the situation to make it work.

Where is the line between a born pre-disposition and and an inert
uncontrolled desire? When does it, supposedly go from genetic and
uncontrollable to free will?

.

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