Re: Somehow No One Seems To Think

On Mar 26, 2:36 am, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


 You and I saw different coverage I guess. There was a lot of talk
about the improved situation, as part of the current assessment.
That's currently what is happening, but the massive overall majority
of stuff I saw was still "The Iraq war is wrong!" folks. You know what
I see. I'd put the overall balance 65-35 anti-war philosophically, and
locally it ran 98% anti war.

   Holy shit! You *did* see different coverage. I saw a series of articles in the NYT
[2] and in Slate [3] by people who were wrong about the war. Most of the rest of it
was about how grand the Surge has been (when it has, in fact, been a failure because
it has not achieved the political progress that was the reason for sending the extra
troops in). Not one person who was in opposition to the war got to talk. I know that
you only remember the opposition to the war as being related to "any war is bad" and
that we had no specifics for why. That is a bad case of historical revisionism, Bill.
There were any number of

[1]  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/obamas-minister-committ...

[2]http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/16/opinion/16intro.html

[3]http://www.slate.com/id/2186757/

   As for your comment about the double standard on hate-speech being tipped in favor
of "the left", that's ridiculous: Michael Savage still has a job, Ann Coulter and
Michelle Malkin still get regular bookings on TV. There is no one on the left that
can even begin to get to the level of those people and get anything remotely like the
air time they do.

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                              tanx,
                               Howard

                        Whatever happened to
                        Leon Trotsky?
                        He got an icepick
                        That made his ears burn.

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Once again we see a different picture though I do agree with some of
your comments.
The commenators from the right have more, and bigger air time because
they sell product. It's a capitalist country, in spite of your wishes,
and that's how it works. They make money for the people putting them
on the air, so they get time. Maddow, and her friends are just as
vicious and miserable, but don't sell shit, IMO because they are about
telling the majority of America hoiw much they all suck, and what a
bunch of bigotted, fascist shit, corporate slaves they are. Not going
to do much for your bottom line or popularity.
People don't want to be treated like shit, and told they are shit.
You don't like it from the right wing nutjobs, most of America has
voted that they don't like it, with their wallets, from Air America.

There was NO thread hijack. TK started a thread on liberal fascism,
everyone jumped into bashing him. I only jumped in after an incident
of "liberals" attacking folks, showing NO respect, and violating their
right to freely practice their religion. They should've insisted on
assault charges for the paint that was thrown on them, at a minimum.
Explain to me why I have SO little problem with so many other anti-
war folks? Because they aren't locked into the Reagan Rule, and aren't
willing to excuse/justify almost anything done by the left. Believe it
or not a lot of my friends here are activist types, ex-hippies,
etc...the difference being there is give and take in discussions with
them, not stonewalling and blanket defense.
Lafferty is a perfect example of that, that you folks know. He's out
to lunch on doping, and I've told him so. He's just as vigorously gone
after my position. We have done that on just about every subject out
there.
I admit, as you do, to being WAY more stubborn and offensive with you
becuase you take the sanctity position for the left. You critically
evaluate the left the way Malkin and Coulter evaluate the right. Most
of the folks, left, or right don't do that.
Youy keep trying to paint me as a right wing nutjob, maybe you really
do think that. I keep painting you as a working for, and protecting
the far left, because I do think that. I DON'T think you support a lot
of the stuff, but do think you feel you have to defend all of it.
That's the problem.
The vast majority of folks from center left to center right are
pretty damned much the same, and don't like the shit being done by the
folks out at the ends. You defend the folks on the left end, pretty
much no matter what.
Your comments on the "surge" are exactly where the folks who aren't
military, or are anti-military get it wrong. This is why the vet's
from Vietnam got abused when they came home, and I'm NOT saying you
are anti-military I know better.
The "surge" has done exactly what it was supposed to do, or better.
It lowered the level of violence, and the political heat, to allow the
politicians a chance to deal with the political situation. The
military provided EXACTLY what it was supposed to. The fact that the
politicians have failed abjectly, again doesn't mean that the "surge"
hasn't worked. The politics are a seperate animal, and as I've said
before I'm not sure that the violence is down due to the "surge".
There're a bunch of other factors.
Bill C
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