Re: A guess for Wednesday...

On May 3, 3:46 pm, dbrower <dbro...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On May 2, 7:52 am, Bill C <tritonri...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:





On May 2, 4:45 am, need more sun <recbikegr...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On May 2, 12:59 am, Bill C <tritonri...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On May 1, 5:10 pm, need more sun <recbikegr...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On May 1, 10:04 pm, need more sun <recbikegr...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On May 1, 6:03 pm, cyclin...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

On Apr 30, 2:12 pm, need more sun <recbikegr...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

...especially now he has broken his links with the team. If he was
innocent and knew his DNA would show that, he wouldn't leave Discovery
so quickly. Basso is, in my view, going to plead guilty in the hope
CONI gives him less than two years. That means he will be back in time
for the 2009 Giro and Tour.

Discovery, meanwhile, must be regretting the way they p**ssed all over
the ethical code. Nice one guys. If you end up with no sponsor for
next year, many teams will be happy. I think the correct phrase is
'egg all over the face' now.

Basso signed a contract with Discovery that he would present a DNA
test if asked. His lawyer told him that he'd be a fool to offer his
DNA and he has some rights on that subject in Italy.

I realize that you believe that a man is guilty with the very
accusation by anyone including the guy he beat in his junior year but
perhaps the real world might intrude on your ability to synthesize
reality.

Basso said at the time that he would present his DNA only if
specifically asked in a judicial process..which looked extremely
unlikely at the time. He previously declined to give Bjarne Riis his
DNA - Riis said that had he done this, he could have stayed with the
team. Basso has not acted like an innocent man (and neither has his
liar/lawyer). All this humming and hawing and nonsense about DNA not
being accurate, rather than just handing it over and being declared
innocent (if that is indeed what he is).

Imagine you are accused of something, but have a way to clear yourself
and take pressure off you and your team. Surely you would do that as
soon as possible? Not piss around with excuses and time-wasting
tactics. Furthermore, if you are innocent, you don't give interviews
where you simply say 'ask my lawyer' or 'my lawyer is dealing with
that stuff now' when you are asked about your implication in a very
serious doping investigation.

You may not like to hear it, but Basso has most certainly not acted
like an innocent man. So forgive me, after years of this kind of
nonsense from riders subsequently found out to be dopers, if I am
running out of patience with the kind of BS that has come from him and
the team. I would bet my house on Basso being guilty, and also that
this will come out sooner rather than later.

But if you want to have your head in the sand, that is your right.

Get Basso and the others all out now. If the sport is to have a
future, we need this kind of crap to end, once and for all. We have
had enough.

Also, if his lawyer said that he would be a fool to give his DNA, then
his lawyer is an idiot. Or a liar. If someone is innocent, a good
lawyer's job is to clear them as soon as possible. However, if they
are guilty, the lawyer clearly can't do this. So he will do all he can
to avoid giving implicating evidence.

Wise words: there is none so blind as those who will not see. The
truth is right in front of you. But maybe you need CONI to tell you
what was really going on? If so, just wait a while longer..- Hide quoted text -

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Yep, why don't you just contact the RCMP, let them know when you were
in the area of any of their unsolved crimes, and then submit a DNA
sample. I hear the Houston PD lab would be happy to help you too.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/05/01/auditorgeneral.html?ref=rss
Quoted:
Issues raised years ago
Fraser also uncovered "significant weaknesses" in how the laboratory
service defines, monitors and resolves quality issues related to its
work. Notably, the system was unable to identify problems with an
automated process introduced to test DNA.

"Given these major shortcomings, overall the RCMP cannot be said to
perform satisfactorily in this area."

I don't think Wada is any more credible. Sounds like your the kind of
person who, when accused of jaywalking would confess to murder. I
assume that you've been fingerprinted, provided a precautionary DNA
sample, etc... to your government crime/anti-terror people because
they would never misuse them or make an error.
Bill C

Benjamin Franklin
They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security,
deserve neither liberty or security

And what about the rights of innocent riders who have to race against
junked-up competitors? Or the rights of normal cyclists to have a
healthy, reputable sport instead of one which is falling apart? Give
me a break. I'm not talking about sending him to prison. But I am
talking about getting Basso to do whatever it takes to clear himself
(if he is, as you must feel against all indications, actually
innocent). Or to show he is guilty after all. But he won't do that,
will he?

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I don't think Basso is innocent. I don't know. I also don't think that
the Wada kangaroo court proves anything conclusively either except in
the very few open/shut cases they get. If the system was open, fair,
under independent oversight, and had a reasonable appeals process then
I "might" suggest Basso submit his DNA for testing.
There is NOTHING in Wada and Pounds behavior that indicates athletes
are going to get a fair hearing. After all Pound has stated that they
are all guilty, they just haven't been caught yet.
Get rid of Pound, reform Wada, establish a riders union with some
teeth to provide some balance, prosecute the rich and powerful sports
like football/soccer too, endorse appeals to the civilian court system
then when there is some justice in the system come back to me about
how riders should prove they aren't guilty. It shouldn't be, that
anyone, is considered guilty until proven innocent and is forced to
prove the negative or face penalties. You'll never get me to sign off
on that system as "just".
Bill C

Well, in honesty, most cases /ARE/ open-and shut. The problem with
the WADA system is that it treats ALL cases as open-and-shut, even if
they aren't.

-dB http://trustbut.blogspot.comfor Landis news, research, and
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That's your opinion. That isn't mine, at least not until they deal
with the questions of their bias, procedural failures, and credibility
issues.
Daryl Gates said they were all open/shut cases too, and as far as I
can tell Gates was a better cop than Pound.
Bill C

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