Re: Why doesn't anyone question the isotope test???

In article <1155225308.937004.129830@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
gds <gary_jill@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Sure, you allege that no one in the media is questionaing the tests. I
have seen interviews with numerous people who are saying the test are
quite valid and reliable. These are folks are scientists in the field.
So, the media did raise the question and it seems it is being answered,
though not in a way you would prefer

I've seen shallow empty things like "is this test reliable?" "Oh
yes, absolutely reliable" and that's it. But when I repeatedly see
these results reported as "exogenous testosterone detected in Floyd's
urine", I know for a fact that they simply don't get it.

I want someone to ask the deeper questions. Is there a measure for the
accuracy of the test? A false positive rate? Known factors that
can affect the outcome? That would be a start.

Does this mean that the system is perfect? Of course not, but you are
suggesting you don't believe anything and that is just silly.

I'm not suggesting that. I love to believe in things. Show me that
diet and/or testosterone surges have been studied in conjunction with
this test, and I'll be very interested. If no body can show me that,
then I have serious doubts, and anyone with training in lab testing
ought to have those same doubts.

I was involved in testing of this sort in the
military we found huge differences in the response to various stress
stimulii between regular infantry and elite troops. This is a
fundamental research issue. Why are you assuming that the testers
haven't figured this out?

You keep saying that I'm assuming. I've spent quite a bit of time looking
for these papers on line. I assumed I would find them and so far I have
not, so now I want to see if anyone else can find them. Then, if no one
else can find them, I'll might assume they don't exist, depending on
how many people I've asked.

I guess its fine that you want these answers but who is that is
responsible for providing them? You are a paying client of whom? Sure
ultimately if fans desert the sport the sponsors and the sport itself
will suffer. But seriously, in the short run it does't seem to me that
you are a direct client.

I'm a client of the media, and I expect the media to do its job. And
so far, it has not. If Reuters editors can accept a photo with the
worst photoshop alteration ever seen, then I can wonder how deeply
the media is really probing this issue, and I can try to probe more
deeply.

I'll go back to the issue that all of the procedures were in place and
agreed to by the athletes before competing. I'm not talking aobut
leaks, that's plain wrong; but the testing procedures and the outcomes
were very clear.

This is simply not true. The athletes agree to the testing. But not
the procedures -- the procedures are kept as secret as possible by the
testing agencies. I think that the athletes have been entirely too
trusting with respect to these procedures.

tom
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