Re: "I never tested positive."

"Ryan Cousineau" <rcousine@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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In article <1pe9o3-rbn.ln1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Simon Brooke <simon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

in message <1152489464.624652.277010@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Patricio Carlos ('pgpc@xxxxxxxxxxx') wrote:


Simon Brooke wrote:
Whether or not Bruyneel or Riis doped when they were cyclists is no
indicator of whether they would either recommend or tolerate doping as
directuers sportif. Both are exceedingly canny tactical thinkers. As
Liberty Seguros (and, before them, Festina) have amply demonstrated,
doping is a very high-risk strategy for a team: if caught, you're
likely to be out of the game.

Do you really think so? What % of dopers do you think ever get caught?
Probably about 2%.

So if you have twenty riders on the team, the chance of the team getting
caught is 40%.

There are fundamentally two strategies which a modern DS can follow
with regards to dope: plausible deniability, or very careful adherence
to the /letter/ of the rules. If, as now seems likely, Basso was
involved with Fuentes, I cannot believe that Riis really didn't know;
but he seems to have put all the right mechanisms in place for
plausible deniability. Bruyneel, on the other hand, seems to me to be
a 'letter of the rules' man; I'm not really sure whether that's any
more moral.

Then why did Bruyneel let Lance and the team work with Dr Ferrari all
that time? Did you see the recent photos of Tom D with Dr Ferrari. Have
you seen all the Livestrong links on Dr Ferrari's website?

Yes.

But Armstrong was a very special cyclist: he had good valid medical
reasons to be prescribed pretty much every banned substance in the book.
While I don't doubt Ferrari prescribed stuff to Armstrong, I'm
reasonably certain he could make a clear medical justification for all
of it. That's what I mean by 'letter of the rules'.

Well, during his recovery, yes. Aside from that one cortico-steroid
tuckus cream prescription that is so popular around here, do you think
he had a medical waiver for anything else after he returned to
competition?

Even if you assume that the stuff (including, as he has acknowledged
EPO) he was on for his cancer recovery gave him unnatural improvements
beyond his mere recovery period, would that have lasted longer than a
year, at the outside?

I'm not claiming that Lance was clean (nor am I claiming he was dirty),
just that I doubt he had any licit-but-useful drug prescriptions after
he returned to racing.

Do you have any info otherwise?

There's NOTHING magic about EPO. It increases your hematocrit and that's it.
If he had a hematocrit below the testing threshhold then he never had an
advantage. The fact is that somewhere, perhaps in that leaked court record,
there was a statement that his hematocrit at the time of the test
(supposedly for EPO) was 37%. That's on the low end of normal and what you'd
expect in a hard race.

Another BS thing printed here by the like of lying Lafferty and others is
that the steroid creme used to treat saddle sores was both unusual and back
dated. It was stated by ASO at the time that it was included in the records
of medications allowed as stipulated by the UCI. And steroid creme ARE a
perfectly acceptable and normal treatment for some sorts of saddle sores.

But you know how it is - if you can dethrown the king you don't have to care
how much BS and lies it takes to do it. It's all in the fun of destroying
someone else.


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