Re: Just to throw in an OT


Raptor wrote:
Bill C wrote:
The saddest part is that if we bail there's going to be a huge
bloodbath that both sides here will blame on each other and noone will
have the courage to own.
It doesn't get much worse.
Bill "librul commie" C

Do you see any benefit to staying? How long?

My feelings about the eventual outcome changes weekly, it seems. That in
itself isn't a good sign.

--
Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall
I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the
trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view,
the most insidious of traitors."
George H.W. Bush, April 16, 1999,

The problem with a stated timetable is that the enemy now has a target
date for when your allied force will be massively weakened. They go
underground, drop the ops tempo to conserve resources, build up
supplies and prepare for just after the pullout. Then all hell breaks
loose, and you gave them everything they needed to win.
My suggestion would be to tell the iraqi government that we are going
to pull out most of our troops in the next couple of years. We will
provide support and troops would be available if needed to come back
and help stabilise things, but that should be a UN mission after Iraq
is on it's own.
Right now we are the only thing standing between a Sunni/Shia region
wide war fought by their proxies in Iraq. We pull out and most of the
Gulf will support and arm the Sunni minority, while Iran will do the
same for the Shia, and there won't be any of the pretensions of Geneva
convention protections. It'll be what you see now with everyone being
targeted, civilian villages supporting the other side wiped out,
mosques leveled, and torture totally accepted and common on a huge
scale.
Hussein kept that from happening with his reign of terror, we are
barely holding it in check now. We leave before the government is
strong enough to at least contain it then all hell breaks loose.
The "pull-out now" people know this, but like Vietnam they don't give
a shit how many die as long as we aren't there, and will always blame
someone else while totally excusing their own actions. ( yes, Robert we
still disagree here)
Bush created this disaster both by cooking the intel, and being
totally incompetent at best so ultimately he's to blame, but just as
he's being blamed for decisions made after the war started that made it
worse, so should the pull out now folks be.
For us, historically the casualties are incredibly low so that's
sustainable indefinitely. What isn't sustainable is that while Bush is
saying "Stay the Course" they're not providing the money for
operations, training, and equipment, let alone new units of troops to
take the pressure off. They are still burying the cash in the
anti-missile shit and a bunch of other pet projects which don't work,
or wont do what they are supposed to, along with funneling shitloads of
cash, I know of $2000 a week payments, to the Haliburton associated
Mercs they are hiring as "private security" who are still mostly flying
under the radar, and being given support from the military on top of
it.
It's the kid who busted open a hornet's nest, at the family picnic,
with a stick and now has no clue what to do while everyone around is
going to get stung.
Bill C

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