Re: OT - Iraq
- From: Barry Harmon <johnfrum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: 30 Aug 2008 02:27:37 GMT
Jay Beattie <jbeattie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
news:15481b81-6e6a-4262-914d-8e6e8e5a2252@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:
On Aug 29, 2:48 pm, Woland99 <wolan...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Aug 29, 4:01 pm, Peter Cole <peter_c...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:n
Neoconservatives believe in the ability of the United States to
install democracy after a conflict, citing the denazification of
Germany and installation of democratic government in Japan after
World War II. This idea guided U.S. policy in Iraq after the
removal of the Saddam Hussein regime, when the U.S. organized
elections as soon as practical.[citatio
needed] Neoconservatives also ascribe to principal of defending
democracies against aggression."
Analogie are NEVER a proof of anything - Germany's and Japan example
are 10 galaxies away from Iraq. Germany had a history of democratic
governments. In Japan it was the core value of respect for authority.
Both countries were homogeneous as far as lack of substantial
oppressed
minorities. On contrary almost every recent example where a tyrannic
regime is removed in a country with very strong minority groups that
had history of conflicts leads to civil war and attempts to partition
the country. In absence of the Iraqi military it was the only logical
outcome.
But hey... who needs logic when you can have dogma. That is the real
danger of electing religious people to highest offices - in conflict
between reality and dogma reality is always a loser.
Interestingly, we installed many of the tyranical regimes. Everyone
should read "Legacy of Ashes" -- it's a fascinating history of the
CIA. It is particularly relevant in an election year since the CIA/NCS
is a tool of the Executive, and who we elect will determine who is
toppled or installed (or attempts to do either -- the CIA was not a
particularly effective agency). -- Jay Beattie.
There are some of us who believe that the CIA should be limited to
inteligence gathering and analysis and taken completely out of the job
of covert action and the like. They have been proven to be incompenent
at both jobs, but can likely do much less damage in the intelligence end
of things. The resent CIA is a legacy of the OSS, another bunch of
doofuses.
One intelligence operation in Hawaii did more for to win WW2 than all
the OSS stuff together, and they hurt us a lot less in the post-war
period. This is in addition to what the people at Bletchley Park and
Warsaw did in the European theater, which was monumental.
Barry Harmon
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