Re: Fire Lighter

In article <81fafdba-14ea-49c6-9d26-91e71b7f6ab4@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
<hlillywh@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mar 5, 9:48=A0am, eug...@xxxxxxxxxxxx (Eugene Miya) wrote:
The first to models of MSR stoves came with flint strikers for priming.
Those are great (I kept mine and moved it up to replacements). =A0One
doesn't have to get a match or Bic out.

There a few models of canister (LPG) backpacking stoves that come with
built-in lighters but I don't know of any liquid-fueled backpacking
stoves available today so equipped.

They discontinued them because of both the abuse and mistreatment of
them on the burner housing (commonly broke off and some times broken
with the fuel tube). And the dial/spring combo to hold the flint was
commonly overtightened.

You can also buy a barbecue lighter, long and with a striker using
lighter fuel but it's heavier and more bulky than most backpackers
want to mess with. Works very well though, we got one after the built-
in lighter for our home BBQ croaked.

I've seen those little burner torches used (butane).

A friend went to the scout "Woodbadge" training for adults. There
were some Japanese there and when it came time to start a fire the
wood was all wet. The Japanese pulled hand fans out and everybody
thought, "What is this? Geisha girl stuff?" They didn't wonder long,
the Japanese used the fans to provide a good air supply to their fire
and had it going quickly, without the hyperventilation hazard that
comes from blowing with your mouth. Fanning the flame had the effect
of a bellows.

Lack of O2 is one of the most common fuel killers. Even a couple of
weeks ago, I watched 2 people stoke a small fire with too much tinder
and kindling. Other times bringing back an overnight fire from embers
(which is a common Indian skill) is another way to amaze tenderfeet and
city slickers. Their problem is one of patience and burn up one's
resource of matches or Bic fuel.

On Fuji and recently I saw in Santa Fe's higher end hotels I saw cans of O2.
100% O2? Reading the contents they are apparently 90% O2 with clear cautions.
That could a more difficult version Goble's LOX BBQ starter.

If you are taking adults, hell, you can do things like burning concrete
using F (this impressed Gen. Groves to hire a certain chemist for the
Manhattan project <used of course to to light cigarettes with small hand
held mirros>). Or haul out the flame throwers.

The real question is what minimal temperatures are needed to start fires
and why. Never forget Fahrenheit 451.

--

Looking for an H-912 (container).

.

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