Re: I 'm a Fool For Hybrid Fuel and the Hybrid Car
- From: Bob Berger <srlb@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: 20 Mar 2008 19:28:24 -0700
In article <99916cf9-3831-4104-81b5-2dae80611113@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Puppet_Sock says...
On Mar 20, 2:26=A0pm, Bob Berger <s...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
[snip]
By the way, I'm a big fan of the hydrogen fuel cell option; or rather, I w=ill be
once fusion based electrical power generation is perfected. Unfortunately,=
fusion power generation research is being conducted as "big science", whic=h
means a practical solution probably won't be found any time soon.
Don't get me started on "big science"... :-)
I think we need some more tech besides just a really great
power supply. Transporting and storing Hydrogen is not
trouble free. And, please be careful if you mention Hydrogen
near Uncle Al. You are likely to get spittle on you.
But he makes some difficult to ignore points about H2 as
a fuel. For example, the most efficient way we have of
transporting Hydrogen right now is as petroleum. And if
you need the Carbon, you need some kind of way of getting
it back out of the atmosphere. And there you are back at
some new tech again. (Though there are some suggestions
about how that might be done, they have not been made
to work at any large scale yet.)
Yes, but I think fuel cells are (will be) a better (whatever that means) option
than batteries.
As to big science: Well, it does have some annoyances.
And those annoyances don't seem to get smaller when you
have a multi-nation project, such as ITER. Politics and
back-stabbing and glory-grabbing seem to be the primary
functions of such project.s
Very well said!
However, I warned you not to get me started on big science.
Still, I don't see anybody making fusion work with a *small*
project.
Maybe not; but I submit that the Manhattan Project, possibly the largest science
based research and development project ever, wasn't big science. For one thing,
it was goal oriented, not career enhancement oriented.
It's going to take bunches of scientists and engineers
and computer types and materials science types and so on.
Geeze, the library aspects of the project alone are not
going to be trivial.
That assumes the need for large/complex solutions. (My machine is bigger than
your machine :-). The paths being taken now are inelegant and unsubtle. They
remind me of playing a Stradivarius with a chain saw.
And don't forget the most likely fuel
cycles seem to involve Tritium, so you get the IAEA and
the various country weapons people poking their noses
in.
Good. I hope they get 'em burned off.
So much as I like "skunk works" type projects, and
I like them a lot, it's difficult to see how that could be made
to work on fusion.
I'm not sure. I think what's needed first is some serious effort at the basic
quantum mechanics level to find that new and elegant approach; and that can be
done by a small, skunk works (I love that phrase) team. The discoveries that
lead directly to the transistor (and from there to "modern electronics") sure
weren't products of big science.
But this is (I am) getting very off topic for rec.backcountry...
Bob
By the way, do you know of a good quantum mechanic in the Spokane area? The
power steering unit on Quantum is leaking.
Socks
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