Re: Attention All Student Pilots Please; About Mxsmanic

WingFlaps wrote:
Hi Dudley, Please don't get me wrong. I see you as a senior statesman
here who may no be at all comfortable with the news net 'game' -and
that is all it is to some. I am just asking you consider that you
could help me (us) more by writing about your experiences than
spending your time fighting with a troll (a newsnet game you _cannot_
win). On the other hand if you feel that your time is best spent
'having a go' at a troll (and want to make your blood pressure rise ?)
then you are free to do so too. I think you have much more valuable
information to impart to the students of airmanship reading this forum
than posting a warning that suggests that the troll is getting under
your skin and winning _his_ game Remember that landing a big fish
always encourages a troll to try harder.

Many regards MoreFlaps

Thank you very much Mr. Wing Flaps for taking the time to set me
straight on the proper way for me to be spending my time here on the forum.

Please be advised that I will take your advice on how to deal with both
Usenet trolls and flight instruction issues and give it the
consideration I deem necessary.
Again, thank you for your thoughts and the very best of luck with your
flying.
Dudley Henriques



WingFlaps wrote:
On Dec 11, 12:59 pm, Dudley Henriques <dhenriq...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
I don't usually do things like this, but this is a special case and I'm
making an exception.
Some of you new students might not know me. I am an instructor who posts
here on the student forum from time to time. I am NOT the Usenet police
force :-)
I realize that most of you students who post here are intelligent people
and don't need me or anyone else suggesting that you should pay or not
pay attention to this or that when it's posted here on the forum.
I have decided to issue what might be considered a gentle "warning"
concerning the poster using the pseudonym Mxsmanic. Please feel free to
heed or not heed this "warning" as you see fit, as this is Usenet; a
free exchange mechanism for information.
I won't go so far as to suggest that everything you read on this forum
posted by this person is bad information, but I will strongly suggest
that you verify each and every word this person posts here before
accepting any of it as fact or even useful in any way as connected with
your actual flying.
I choose to avoid this person myself if I can on the other aviation
forums, but here on the student forum both myself and many other
instructors and pilots devote a great deal of our time to helping you
students toward a better and more enjoyable flying education and I feel
I should speak out on what might have the potential to be a flight
safety issue.
I'm not going to sit here and write a lot of negative specifics about
this poster. Just be advised FWIW that I for one am a bit "concerned"
about some of what this individual posts here on the student forum and
have suggested with this post that you be extremely careful when dealing
with Msxmanic's "flying information".
Hi Dudley (and others)
I do not think that this sort of commentry is warranted and would seem
to play into the hands of a troll if that is what he is. Having read
this forum for a while I think I know who to listen too and who to
laugh at. I think you should think more of the student pilots here -I
(we) are not so easily taken by misinformation as you think. I thank
you for what I hope is an honest concern for my slow progress to pilot
status but truth has its own strength and needs no visceral support.
If you chill out and just argue when you feel it appropriate you will
achieve far more than playing a trolls game. Just ignore the troll and
lets get more good ipiloting discussion going here! During my training
I am learning to evaluate information at many levels and I see that
that there are no hard and fast rules -even bona fide instructors
here need to be questioned about their misconceptions and while they
obviously know much more than me I find some FI's too play the news
net game from time to time. Any intelligent person soon realizes that
info. on the internet is not 100% reliable but what is more importamt
is to ask questions that probe all our understanding.
Regards MoreFlaps
--
Dudley Henriques


This SPECIFIC forum and the interface between student pilots and the pilots and instructors who post here present additional factors as relates to the normal handling of trolls and troll response on Usenet.

Ignoring trolls on a basic Usenet forum is no doubt the best way to control the troll situation on a newsgroup, but ignoring a troll using this specific forum to pass information has potential issues associated with it, both for the new student who posts here asking for information and believe it or not, as well for the highly experienced pilots and instructors who post here helping new students get started.

On the safety issue;

It is highly unlikely that a new student pilot will read something posted on this forum by a troll and go out and get killed trying to do it. It could happen but it's highly unlikely. The fact that it COULD happen however, must be considered as a safety issue and as such is a negative on the flight training curve and should be addressed.

Another aspect concerning the handling of trolls on this forum specifically is the fact that here you have pilots and instructors devoting large amounts of their time and effort to helping new students get started correctly and answering questions freely and without compensation.

These pilots and instructors are an invaluable resource and indispensable to the success of this forum. I can assure you that these pilots and instructors have little appreciation for spending their time here having to correct the information supplied by a troll.

Bottom line on this is that there is a potential for these experienced people to leave the forum, thus rendering another negative to the flight training learning curve. This is a fatal negative for this forum and must be considered also as a negative on the flight training learning curve.

You will notice if you take the time to research me just a little bit, that I don't deal with this Mxsmanic character on the other aviation forums. There is a reason for that. I know how to deal with trolls on Usenet and have been dealing with them for a very long time.

As a flight instructor however,I have a responsibility to THIS forum and the students who post here. I also have a responsibility to the other experienced pilots and instructors who post here. If they leave the forum in frustration because a troll like Mxsmanic has been allowed to counter their good information with bull*** and left unchallenged by others observing "Usenet protocols" governing the care and feeding of trolls, I'm not going to be very happy. In fact, if enough of the pilots and instructors leave this forum that in my opinion it becomes an ineffective tool for learning, I also will leave.
So THIS is why you will get a "troll warning" from me on this forum and not necessarily on others.
Trolls come and they go, but when I see one operating on this student pilot forum, I will speak out and deal with that as I see fit. I owe that to both the students who post here and the pilots and instructors who devote their time to helping these students.



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Dudley Henriques
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