Re: PING: Alexa Re: Why Pilots of America rocks...

Rich Ahrens <rma@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
on 9/7/2008 3:43 PM Jim Logajan said the following:
Rich Ahrens <rma@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
on 9/7/2008 1:49 PM Jay Maynard said the following:
Bertie's one of the primary causes of the hangar getting burned to
the ground. For you to defend him as you do merely sullies your own
reputation.
First off, I'm not defending him. He's quite capable of doing so
himself if he chooses. Holding the same opinion as someone some of
the time (e.g., Maxie is an idiot) is not defending that person.
Neither is conversing with him. Or correcting factual errors about
past history. The fact that you cannot tell the difference places
your judgment in question.

Well shucks, you confused a false dichotomy with an unproven
assumption in another post, but I wouldn't hold that against you.

No, you falsely characterized it, as I've explained elsewhere. But I
won't hold it against you.

If there was no presumption in Jay M's question then it wasn't the
dichotomy you claimed it was. You need to make up your mind.

Excellent: your opinion on Jay Honeck's views is clear. Now if you
can make (or point to a past posting) of a clear opinion of Bertie's
postings it will be clear whether your posts are in fact a stealth
defense of him or merely an incidental byproduct of objective
observations.

I have no obligation to do so. It is your assertion, Jay's, or both.
The burden of proof is on you.

Huh? Are you saying the burden of proof of your opinions is on me? Sorry,
I don't follow that.

Look, I'm not asking for any obligations. I'm trying to figure out what
your opinion is of the person who posts using the "Bertie the Bunyip"
handle. You aren't shy about telling the world your opinion of Jay
Honeck's affect on this newsgroup. I'm not sure why you object to telling
the world your opinion of "Bertie's" affect on this newsgroup.

However, no one is driving Jay away.

"However, no one is driving X away."
Where X = {Bob Gardner, Dudley Henriques, Jay Honeck, C. Gattman, ...
}

In other words, a throw-away rhetorical line.

No. Jay M asserted that Jay H was "being ruthlessly driven away." I
simply contradicted him with an equally bald assertion.

Are you now claiming no one has been driven away, or are you quibbling
over whether there was ruthless intent involved?

So if someone posts an opinion on PoA that Jay Honeck disagrees with,
then are you claiming it will be squelched? Are you claiming Jay
controls PoA? I'm having a hard time relating the objective facts of
the operation of PoA with your pseudo-psychological analysis.

I'm saying it is inherent in the nature of that heavily moderated
forum to meet Jay's need to be coddled, as supported by their having
at least temporarily shut down the one area where anything is
supposedly fair game. And further supported by Jay's blathering in
praise of that action.

So bloody what? PoA has terms of use. So does your Usenet provider. You
can be bounced from your Usenet provider if you cross the line too, you
know.

Look - if you don't like Jay H's opinions or the man himself - fine. But
in my opinion all you are doing is rationalizing your dislike into a fine
tantrum of your own. And I say this as someone who doesn't agree with Jay
H on a huge range of issues.
.

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