Re: Bonanza crash caught on video

Here's the aircraft, Roger. It was an A-36:

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N-number : N1098F
Aircraft Serial Number : E-3059
Model : A36
Engine Manufacturer : CONT MOTOR
Model : IO-550 SERIES
Aircraft Year : 1996
LAS VEGAS, NV, 89102
Type of Owner : Corporation
Registration Date : 03-Jul-2001
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard
Approved Operations : Utility

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 04:56:17 -0400, "Roger (K8RI)"
<validaddress@xxxxxx> wrote:

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 00:49:10 -0400, NoneYa <biffclinton@xxxxxxx>

Maxwell wrote:
"Jay Honeck" <jjhoneck@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

In an amazing coincidence, a Sacramento TV station was at Cameron Park
airport filming background for a story about the crash of a plane that
had departed earlier in the day and caught a second crash on video. Go
to the web site and click on "Cameron Park Plane Crash" on the right

It sure looks like the pilot was taking off from a high-density
altitude airport with no flaps, downwind.

Looks like he could have increased his odds a bit, if he had used the rest
of the runway, and/or stayed in ground effect a bit longer.

No flaps!! No lift!!

Many if not most Bonanzas don't use flaps even for short field and
this didn't look short. As some one from there mentioned it's 4000
feet at 1200 MSL. There is no take off maneuver even short field at
high altitude in mine that calls for any use of the flaps.

As to gas, the capacity varies over a wide range. With a newer plane
it varies from 75 to 100 or so depending on the tanks installed and
the size of the Aux tanks.. I can put 600# of fuel in mine and with
1000# useful load it's at best a 3 passenger plane if they are skinny
and no baggage. The F33s reached 1400# useful load so depending on
lots of variables It may or may not be a 4 passenger plane.

They reported it to be a 4 seat, but it sure looked like an A36. Try
as I might I could not come up with a valid N number to check. Nor
could I find anything listed for a Walter Norwood.

Even on a hot day at 1200 feet it should have had the ability to get
in and out of a 4000 foot strip with only moderately rising terrain
and a *light* tail wind.

I can only guess, but two guys I know flew a Cherokee 180 into a grass
strip in the UP of Michigan for a fishing trip. On the day they came
home it was HOT and humid. Basically they were high, hot, humid, and
heavy. The pilot was trying to give the trees at the end of the
runway a wide berth, but they had neither the speed nor power. The
right seater kept telling him to keep the nose now as he was easing it
up. The almost cleared the trees. OTOH they didn't go down, but they
did leave the position lights from both wing tips in the trees and
they still had brush in the landing gear when they got home. Actually
they had a 6" dent just inside the last rib. The pilot once made the
statement, had the right seater kept forcing him to keep the nose
down, they'd never have made it.

I wonder if this wasn't a similar situation but without some one
reminding the pilot to keep the nose down.