Re: MoGas users: Ethanol replacing MTBE



"Jay Honeck" <jjhoneck@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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It is interesting that we, the west, are making nice with Pakistan, who
not
only *has* the bomb *already*, but is the source which sold nuclear
secrets
to various not-so-savoury characters and countries.

That's what happens when you have a nut-job regime that has The Bomb.
You are forced to deal with it as an equal -- no matter how unsavory
the country.


Two equals generally manage to negotiate a compromise and escape with
minimum damage to each. The problems start when one believes himself to be
overwhelming superior. Even if the underdog perishes in the encounter, he
may still cut out the left eye and both testicles of the superior. Now
certain equals, and even underdogs, deserve to perish, no matter what the
cost, but as they say...as long as we choose our fights wisely.


Nut-cases are a fact of life. There are no guarantees *anywhere*, against
charismatic nutcases leading state governments, including all those
countries already with nuclear technology. Removing individual nutcases by
force is similar to throwing a fish to the starving masses. Teach them to
fish themselves...provide incentives for them to remove/avoid their own
nutcases. And no, citizens do not respond well to the incentive "do it or
we bomb you". You only need to think of what your own response would be to
that one.



Which, of course, is why Iran -- the pariah of the world for 25 years
-- wants one so badly. Ditto North Korea.

But we are rattling war-weapons at Iran who claim only to want
electricity.

Right. They're sitting atop a large percentage of the world's oil --
and you *believe* they want nuclear reactors for ELECTRICITY?
Please.


No.

They *claim*... yada yada... I happen to *believe* that they want nuclear
reactors only in order to rattle the west's chain, and it seems to be
working.

Maybe they are looking for independence from oil, so that they can sell it
to the west at 250 a barrel and not hurt their own economy, who knows?


But it is pretty much a given that they have or will have nuclear
capability... So the question becomes one of reducing collateral damage...
Will it be greater if the west goes in first, and provides an impetus for
Arab nationalism to solidify a united Islamic front against the west??? Or
will it be greater if diplomatic pressure and those IAEA inspections
continue until they step out of line... and solidify the world, including
the other Arab states, *against them*.

Rhetoric is cause for concern and a signal to be prepared. Many years of
previous rhetoric by heads of States has proved to be pretty much hot air.
Is this different? Maybe. Highly effective intelligence agencies are
trying to find out. I hope they are closer to the real truth than their
previous spectacular endeavour.

9/11 was not engineered by a head of State, but by a disgruntled financier
and a handful of zealots. Have the past 3 years destroyed more zealots than
they have created? I suppose your honest answer to that question determines
which side of the "pre-emption" fence that you will fall on.


The US, of all people, must know that citizens' pride is a very strong
emotion. Invasion of Iran for what they *Might* do, will make Iraq look
like a Sunday stroll in the park. If we agree to inspections and it
proves
wrong, and Iran actually DOES build a bomb and actually DOES harm to
someone, the retaliatory world coalition would stop them permanently in
six
days or less.

But not before untold millions are killed? Not acceptable.


My goodness, are the IAEA inspections and our own intelligence that
bad...???... that it would permit "untold millions" to die before we could
respond? Even I doubt that they are *THAT* incompetent.



The total damage will probably be considerable less than a protracted
pre-emption... like Iraq, where it will be six *years* or more.

Yeah, but it will be somewhere OTHER than Iran. Not acceptable.

No matter *where* the damage is, the cost will still be born here... in
terms of everything from bodies to the cost of gasoline.



It amazes me that anybody can still think that we will drop a few bombs,
wipe out their nuclear capability, and that the war (and threat) is
magically "over"...that 60 million citizenry will automatically accepts
our
interpretation of their governments' "obvious" misdeeds, and politely say
"thank you for bombing our homeland".

Um, remember when the Israelis bombed the reactor in Iraq? It worked
out pretty well, no?


Well, I guess *not*, because 20 years later I watched the US Secretary of
State on International Television, telling the United Nations in great
detail that Iraq did indeed have a nuclear program.





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