Re: Commercial rating?

"Michael Ware" <mware@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Jim Macklin" <p51mustang[threeX12]@xxxhotmail.calm> wrote in message
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A commercial pilot with minimum time can be hired by any
plane owner to fly their airplane under part 91, anywhere in
the world, under IFR or VFR. They just can't carry
passengers or cargo "for hire."


They can't? Please explain. §61.133 says you can. I am curious about the
ins
and outs of this myself. And could somebody explain, maybe by example,
what
'holding out' means?

What Jim means is that having a commercial certificate isn't a *sufficient*
condition for carrying passengers or cargo for hire. That's actually
slightly inaccurate, because there are some narrow exceptions, but generally
speaking carriage of passengers or cargo for hire requires not only a
commercial certificate, but compliance with other regulations (Parts 119 and
135, as Bob mentions, are the most common ones to run into, though you could
of course do it under Part 121 as well).

You can't use a Private Pilot certificate to work for a commercial
operation -- you need a Commercial or ATP -- but having a Commercial pilot
certificate is not sufficient to make a commercial operation legal. There
are other rules that need to be complied with as well.

As far as what "holding out" means, the FAA has failed to provide a concrete
definition. However, generally speaking if a pilot demonstrates a
willingness to fly the general public, they are "holding out". A pilot with
a commercial certificate can do very limited passenger or cargo flying for
people with whom they already have an existing relationship, and where they
are not providing the aircraft, but even there anything more than the
occasional contract job is likely to run afoul of an FAA inspector.

Pete


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