Re: One Six Right

"Peter Duniho" <NpOeStPeAdM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "Jay Beckman" <jnsbeckman@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>> For $30, they had better not be burning those DVDs. At that price, I'd
>>> expect a pressed disc, without any compatibility issues.
>>
>> It really depends on the sales numbers.
>
> That depends on whether you are the seller or the buyer. The buyer
> doesn't give a crap about the sales numbers. He just wants a reliable
> DVD.

Correct on both counts. The seller wants to create his discs in as cost
effective a method as possible with as few defects as possible. The
duplicator wants to create as many discs without defects as possible because
he has to eat the rejects. Having worked in the duplication field, I can
tell you that a certain percentage of defects is expected. You work very
hard to get this number as low as possible but you won't eliminate it
completely. Video is an inexact science subject to glitches that may be
transient but can ruin an entire batch of product.

>> Duplication (ie burned) is less expensive for small runs (generally less
>> than a thousand discs or so...)
>>
>> Replication only makes sense if you need to produce a high enough volume
>> where you can be an ongoing (ie profitable) project for a disc
>> manufacturing facility.
>
> You should reread what you wrote. Your second statement, while not
> entirely inconsistent with the first, doesn't fill the HUGE gap left by
> the first.

I've got no idea what their initial sales projections were or what they're
actual sales numbers are. It's possible that they started with duplication
and changed over to replication once it became clear that sales numbers
would allow for it and still be profitable.

We used to start some VHS duplication projects with only 50 to 100 pieces at
a time recored in VCRs at real time. Then, if the order grew, we'd move to
using a high-speed duplication process that could dub a two-hour movie in
about 58 seconds but this incurred other costs (mastering stock, empty VHS
shells, blank VHS tape stock, labor, maintenance, etc.) that were ala carte
or buried vs just having it done with pre-loaded, blank VHS tapes.

As in indication of how narrow the profit margins were in duplication, we
used to have caniption fits if blank VHS shells went up $.01 in price. We
probably changed suppliers 10 times a year to avoid such price fluctuations.

> I doubt these guys are less than 1000 units, but even if they are, they've
> got no business charging $30 for a burned DVD.

They can charge whatever they think the market will bear. Also, as this was
pretty much a non-commercial venture, it's probably going to have to sell at
a higher price point to recoup the production costs.

>> Neither process is perfect, it could just be a bad disc...it happens.
>
> The proposed problem here has nothing to do with a manufacturing defect.
> The question is whether an incompatible blank media was used for a burned
> DVD. If the media is incompatible with the DVD player, then a perfectly
> manufactured disc still won't work.

That's why I also said it could just be a defective disc. Owing to Jon's
later reply, I now have no reason to believe that his DVD player is suspect
and I think he probably got a bad disc.

> Nevermind the issue with respect to longevity of burned DVDs. There
> aren't any solid figures on lifetime of data on a burned DVD, but it's
> pretty well acknowledged that it's pretty short relative to the lifetime
> of a stamped disc.

I'll take your word for it.

> I know that if I ordered one of these DVDs, paying $30 for it, and it
> arrived as a burned media, I would send it right back and demand a refund.

And if sending it back gives you satisfaction, then by all means do it.

> There's simply no excuse for something that expensive not being stamped.
> At that price, the difference between burned and stamped is negligible.

>From what I've seen and read, it's a first-class piece of work done as a
labor of love by the producer with "some" help from corporate money but with
LA area technican's day rates and equipment rental costs being what they
are, it was probably not near enough to cover the costs incurred in it's
production.

If Santa brings me a copy, I plan to play the 1s and 0s off it ... don't
really care if was burned, stamped, pressed or made with a stylus and clay
tablets because IMO, it's a project well worth the support of the aviation
community.

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
AZ Cloudbusters
Chandler, AZ


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