Re: Su T-50 in Flight

On Aug 20, 7:34 pm, Daryl Hunt <dh...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
LIBERATOR wrote:
On Aug 20, 7:43 pm, LIBERATOR <jgcho...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Aug 19, 7:45 pm, Daryl Hunt <dh...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

LIBERATOR wrote:
On Aug 19, 9:18 am, Rob Arndt <teuton...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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Rob
Robbie, the Sukoi planes look better than all our planes, the design,
the characteristics, all look like Junkers and more superior to ours..
Am I wrong?
No, you aren't.  Well half right, maybe.  Guess the Russians
decided to make the back of the plane look as nice as the
front.  it's not really necessary to have a nice looking
rear unless you are modeling for VW.
LOL, how dare you pick on VW's. The Sukoi T-50 is a scary mean looking
machine.

The rear engines swivel to add to dynamic manuevering?

For crying out loud I know this was German designed. It had to be
Junkers.... uh right?

What is the reason we have no amazing designs like this? The F-35
doesn't meet the greet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCiVKJ5VjE4&feature=related

It's still a mig29.  5th gen it will never be.  It can only be
made a decent 4th gen.- Hide quoted text -

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MiG-35 is considered Gen 4++ FYI and the best Sukhois are Gen 4.5. The
F-22 is not a true 5th Gen. Please tell me how it could ever cover the
breadth of either China or the USSR? Please also tell me what enemy a/
c the F-15 ever faced that was on equal terms? NONE.

It has never faced any of the Su-27 flanker family nor the Russian
MiG-29 family with upgrades.

I can post all the technical data and sensor suite updates for you,
but as in your previous posts, you just ignore them.

Again, prove that the F-15C or F-22 can tackle any of those a/c.
Theoreticals aside, or course.

You can't as the USAF is playing with UAVs, UAS', and primitive UCAVs
(Predator, Reaper, Avenger) to fight insurgents. Your vaunted F-15C
has no role in the ME and flying over Iran will not be easy for the
F-15I which is the best F-15 made. They have sat at Tel Nof for years
as the EU political games and US foreign policy bumbling continues.

During ODS the vaunted invisible F-117 WAS picked up by several Iraqi
radars (various bands and millimetric) and fired upon. Matt Byrd's
"Habu II" was targeted TWICE and fired upon by SAs. He dodged both.
Same for the F-22. As soon as it crosses the cellular radar network it
is compromised and when it opens it bay doors it can be painted. It
has to fly in daylight vs night for the B-2 and F-117 and the Chinese
and Russians in any war will have HUNDREDS of fighters and
interceptors in the air supported by various anti-stealth networks,
integrated missile batteries, their own BVR weapons, and their EO
weapons and sensors which the US cannot detect as they are non-
emitters.

You never answered anything of those questions I put you to test on...
only the old victor song of F-15 remains undefeated. Why? Because it
never faced an _equal_ opponent in its entire history!!! The F-22 has
not either and just 20 of them = no real offensive capability against
Russia or China.

Finally, if a F-117 could be downed by Serbs and Iraq downed several
Predators... what makes you think mighty Russia and China will not do
far better???

I'd like to see the US fighters actually face the Cobra manoeuver and
other manoeuvers that US fighters cannot even duplicate as they would
be ripped apart mid-air. TSAGI did a great job developing the wings
for those planes and with thrust vectoring and high AoA, IRST and EO
sensors and weapons... the Flankers and Fulcrums are deadly. So are
the Chinese J-models.

And since the US would not sell F-22s to Japan from scratch Mitsubishi
has a nice design with the ADT-X RCS model and no doubt could probably
rival the F-22 with a dedicated air superority Mitsubishi F-3 if they
wanted to and it got funded. The you have the Europeans with BAe,
Dassault, EADS, and Saab that all have various stealth designs and
some covert a/c flying.

At least Germany did not have to copy Ufimtsev's book to design a
faceted stealth fighter- they came up with the MBB Lampyridae
(Firefly) on their own as armed interceptor by 1981 and pissed the
fuck out of the visiting USAF that pressured the W German Govt to drop
the project by 1989. But Germany retained the knowledge gained and now
we know that DASA and EADS had/have many stealth designs and probably
something flying just as the UK and France decided to ignore the US
request NOT to build stealth aircraft. Germany and Spain also have the
Barrakuda UCAV and EADS is developing a range of stealth missiles and
anti-stealth missiles with EO and plume sensors. The F-22 could not
hide from either.

Daryl, I think you are willfully ignorant of modern tech.

Rob
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