Re: Canada to respond tit for tat to Russian jet fighters

"Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Mar 28, 8:35 pm, frank <dhssresearc...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mar 28, 6:22 pm, "Dave Holford" <holf...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:



"hcobb" <henry.c...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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On Mar 28, 3:02 pm, "Dave Holford" <holf...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Oh yea, the topic. RCAF fighters have been intercepting Soviet and
Russian
prowlers for the last half century. Multitudes of photos exist and
once
in a
while the press decides to run one.

Dave

So are the Canadians going to buy P-8s to cover their north coast as
it becomes ice free?

-HJC

You never know, now we have a government with balls we might even start
to
build our own aircraft again. Our long range bombers were built here as
were
the 200 or so CF-104G thermonuclear strike aircraft of our air division
in
France and Germany back in the cold war. Although we did get stuck with
some
nuclear armed second hand CF-101Bs for North American defence. But I
guess
that was a reasonable trade for the F-86s we built for the USAF when they
were in need.

Now the DEW line has gone and been replaced with the far more effective
North Warning System, a completely Canadian operation; and with the
Deputy
Commanding General of the Iraqi invasion and occupation force back from
the
US Third Army Corps and promoted to Chief of the Canadian Defence staff
things are changing a bit.

Although if we expand our military effort we might want to ask for some
of
our senior officers back; like the deputy commander of Fort Hood,
Director
of Combat Operations for NORAD etc. Just as long as we don't have to give
back the medals the US awarded our snipers and special forces guys in the
Mid East!

Who knows what the future will bring?

I seem to remember Canadians ran at least one Bomarc site and were
probably the only nation to have control somewhat over a US nuclear
system.

AFAIK, Yanks kept the keys, but Bomarx never got nukes
in Canada, canucks may have had some nuke Genie's in
Europe.

Canada had Bomarc squadrons at La Macaza and North Bay. The new Liberal
Pearson ministry approved the deployment of U.S. warheads to Canada in 1963.
The missiles remained ready to be nuclear-armed until Trudeau -- he who got us
the nickname "No-Nuke of the North -- ordered the stand-down of the Bomarcs in
1968. Getting them out took till '71.

AIUI, Genie was deployed for Canadian use in Chatham, Bagotville North Bay,
Namao and Comox. The warheads were U.S. property and the USAF kept a
detachment in each location for their control, issue and maintenance. Security
was provided by Canadian MP companies fleshed out with combat arms cleared
through the Human Reliability Programme. Two "Quick Reaction Alert" aircraft
were kept at the ready at all times when the squadrons -- 409 "Nighthawk", 410
"Cougar", 414 "Black Knight", 416 "Lynx", and 425 "Alouette" -- were on
operations, but they were not necessarily armed with Genie. Genie retired in
the mid-80s with the Voodoos, and the detachments stood down.

Personally I get worried about glorifying the military, as it
can encourage force in place of negotiation.
In canuckistan I got a new gun every xmas and birthday,
such as,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Seven_OMA
Cool eh?
The canuck decleration of war on Afghanistan was both
unconstitutional and illegal, but that's what they wanted,
they wanted somebody to shoot.

Canada declared war on no one. Canada responded under the North Atlantic
Treaty to an invocation of its collective defence clause in reaction to the
attacks on 11 Sep 01, as did most other NATO members. Its continued
involvement is with the consent of the government of Afghanistan as a result
of the Bonn Agreement. Involvement in combat operations under the Bonn
Agreement has been supported by motion in the House of Commons until 2011.

Constitutional practice for declarations of war (there have been only three
and they all were issued in the Second War, so we haven't had much practice)
is that the Governor in Council has the declaratory power, but summons
Parliament within 10 days of a decision to deploy forces. Canada's involvement
in Afghanistan is neither unconstitutional nor illegal. It may be seen as
illegitimate in some quarters, ill-advised in others, but there is no case to
be made in federal court. If there were, it would have been made already by
peace activists.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)


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