Re: Pilots would rather quit The Force than continue to fly F-22s.
- From: Eunometic <eunometic@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:57:29 -0800 (PST)
On Nov 5, 6:32 am, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
guy wrote:
On 26 Oct, 22:14, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
Even worse, the F-22 plays no role in the War On Terror (WOT) which is
left up to UAVs and some Predators, Reapers, and helos. In Afghanistan
you can carpet bomb and precision bomb them all day, but all you will
achieve is moving the piles of rock and dirt around! You can't bomb a
nation back to the stone age that actually lives IN the stone age
already! Same for Iraq. No modern a/c climbed into the air to meet
even our older, reliable fighters in OIF.
So now the US is going the German WW2 route; instead of hundreds or
thousands of decent reliable weapon systems, we want a few hundred
uberwaffen that can't be easily massed produced, replaced, nor
repaired with replacement parts in any real conflict with a real
fighting nation (Russia and China).
We also have not fought any real wars with opponents with serious SAMs
since Vietnam. Iraq's few in ODS were a joke not worth mentioning.
They are nowhere near Russian superior S-300 and S-400 systems that
can be sold to any of the US enemies around the globe- nations like
China and even terrorist sponsor Iran.
The 183 F-22s ultimately to be produced could not even counter a
Chinese invasion of Taiwan. The Super Hornets will have to tackle that
one up against Su-35s, that's IF the US carriers aren't nuked already
and laying at the bottom of the Straight...
With the F-35 at least 5 years away and low numbers as well, the US is
fucked while Russia rebuilds it AF and China continues to modernize
its military forces at an alarming rate.
Even attacking Iran is no cake-walk anymore or else the Israelis would
have already destroyed Iran's nuke facilitiers, ADN, Command Centers,
and infrastructure.
If McCain gets elected he promises to axe bad, expensive military
programs. F-22 would definately be on that list.
Has Duncan Sandys prophesy finally come true ? Just 50 years late !http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncan_Sandys
" He was appointed Minister of Defence in 1957 and quickly produced the
1957 Defence White Paper that proposed a radical shift in the Royal Air
Force by ending the use of fighter aircraft in favour of missile
technology. "
And those missiles needn't be very expensive.
IIRC in 1944 (maybe '45) he told Roly Beamont 'Of course in the future
it will all be done by missiles' - referring to shooting downn of V1s
Given time he would probably have been right.
The destruction rate of V1s escalated hugely as soon as radar controlled guns with proximity fused shells were
brough into action. I actually have some figures somewhere from MoD records in the excellent book 'Radar Days'.
Didn't even need missiles.
Had the V2 problem continued longer, maybe we'd have had the Patriot system some 40-50 years earlier.
Graham
Targeting a For V1 was a perfect task for AAA as it didn't change
course didn't fly particularly high (thus eliminating shell
dispersion). Nevertheless even with radar directed guns, using
electronic analog computer 'predictors' directly driving servo powered
guns and radio proximity fuzes the number of shells required to down a
V1 was still in the hundreds. Incidently the V1's RLM desigination
was Fiesler Fi 103, its covername was FZG 76 (suggesting a FLAK
training drone) and its code name was Kirschkern (Cherrystone).
Overall the resources the allies expended against the V1 was greater
than that used by the Germans to produce and launch it. This alone
makes it a success.
The first V1's were simply launched from their ramps at which point
they made a change in direction to target. The missile entered its
terminal dive sequence when a windmill geared worm drive drove
together a pair of electrical contacts.
Because the allies were back tracking multiple final radar mapped V1
paths to the launch zone the Germans introduced the ability for the
missile to do at least one in flight course change, which made it much
harder to find the launch ramps.
About 5% of the early V1's had a radio beacon in order allow
triangulation of the impact point and to correct for wind drift.
Despite this the Germans never seem to have become aware of opperation
double cross in which British double agents misreported the impact
points of the V1's in order to move the impact point out of greater
London. The inconsistencies were regarded as aberrations. The final
series of V1's had a radio beacon rate of 50% perhaps suggesting that
the Germans were working through the problem. (Osprey book on the V1
covers all this)
There were plans for a mid course update based radio navigation system
using a magnetic tape loop which would have been used to produce a
highly jam resistant command system by correlating multiple commands,
several additional V1's were supposed to track a beacon in the main
'master' radio controlled V1. Clearly a mixture of guided V1's
'hidden' in a mass of unguided V1's would have been disguised the high
value units.
Evasion of allied AAA defenses probably would have been accomplished
by installation of the FuG 101a radar altimeter which was accurate to
better than 5m and had been around since 1940 and was standard on
German night fighters, bombers etc. It was cheap enough to produce.
Had the RAF had it for the dambusters less Lancasters would have been
lost.
Nevertheless
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